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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:23 PM
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Town halls turn hostile for Republicans over tax cuts for rich, Medicare
Joan McCarter
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/22/969251/-Town-halls-turn-hostile-for-Republicans-over-tax-cuts-for-rich,-Medicare-

It's August, 2009 again. Except this time the disgruntled town meeting attendees aren't teabaggers, they're everybody. And the targets are now Republicans. Here's Rep. Pat Meehan (R-PA), at a town hall meeting facing constituents over a broken campaign promise to not privatize Medicare. An angry constituent confronts him: "If you voted to abolish Medicare, how would you explain that to people in their 50′s out of a job?!"

video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mzYN2QY11zk

It's not just Meehan, or the most prominent example so far, Medicare abolishment plan author, Rep. Paul Ryan who was booed by his constituents at a town meeting for defending tax breaks for the wealthy. Turns out, it's happening in districts all over the country. HuffPo's Jason Linkins has a round-up of all the GOP members facing major hostility at home for their vote to end Medicare.

Rep. Robert Dold, (R-Ill.)

Fresh off voting for the so-called Paul Ryan budget plan on Friday, newly-elected Congressman Robert Dold returned to Buffalo Grove Saturday where constituents questioned him about several elements of the Republican budget.


But Dold couldn't even get to the end of the presentation before audience members began peppering him with questions about the Ryan budget, named after House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin. It began with audience members telling Dold they don't believe chopping 10 percentage points off the highest corporate tax rate will create jobs. A handful of people in the audience identified themselves as business owners and accountants who said their effective corporate income tax rate is already lower than the lowest rates proposed in the Ryan plan. They pointed to companies such as GE that pay almost no taxes despite billions in profits as evidence.

Rep. Lou Barletta, (R-Pa.)

Reminiscent of the August 2009 town halls when members of Congress faced angry constituents over health care reforms, a public forum in Carbon County with Rep. Lou Barletta Wednesday night provided a glimpse of the strong emotions stirred by a Republican plan to alter Medicare benefits.
...While he was going through a slide projector presentation about the Medicare changes proposed by House Republican Paul Ryan, a woman raised her hand....

"Excuse me, I'd like to get something off my chest," she said, standing. "You seem to think that because I'm not effected I won't care if my niece, my grandson, my child is affected. I do care. What you're doing with this Ryan budget is you're taking Medicare and changing it from a guaranteed health care system to one that is a voucher system where you throw seniors on the mercy of for-profit insurance companies..."

"You said nothing in the campaign about I'm going to change Medicare, now you voted for a plan that will destroy Medicare," Linda Christman, 64, said. Christman is president of the Carbon County Democrats for Change, according to Barletta's office.

"I won't destroy Medicare, Medicare is going to be destroyed by itself," Barletta said.

Then it got ugly.

Rep. Charlie Bass, (R-N.H.)

Rep. Charlie Bass knew he was in for a rough night. The first question out of the gate during his Wednesday town hall in Hillsborough, NH was about his vote for Paul Ryan's budget. And the second. And the third and the fourth, fifth and sixth questions. "I enjoyed the discourse," he said, almost hopefully, afterward. "It's important to speak with people who disagree with me. Of course there was going to be backlash."
Yes, there will be backlash, which hopefully Democrats will pounce on as effectively and forcefully as the Republicans did with health reform. Opposition to the Republican plan to keep taxes for the rich low and Medicare out of reach for everyone else is broad and deep. If Dems can coalesce around that, and stop all the austerity, Social Security cutting bullshit, they've got their issue for 2012.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:24 PM
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1. Gawd this is good news. Finally people are waking up.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:58 PM
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22. And using Democratic talking points as well. The word is getting out!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:10 PM
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26. By that I assume you mean "The truth".. I know, I know, novel concept. . . n/t
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:36 PM
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27. I changed 'truth' to 'word' to be neutral. I believe it to be 'the' truth, but I'm a Democrat.
:dem:

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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 04:57 PM
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60. At least not dominated by the Right Wing Propaganda Machine
That's Corporate Big Money Greedy Billionaires who don't want to pay their taxes, crypto-fascist funded Right Wing Propaganda machine.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:35 PM
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39. +1
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 12:17 AM
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42. Now, all we need is corporate media to give this as much attention as they did the TeaBaggers
last year.

As Rachel Maddow said on her show today, the only places you'll hear about these protests are on liberal blogs and on her show.

Sad, but at least we get more proof there never was a liberal media bias. EVER.
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Kurmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 12:39 AM
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43. Good luck with that...
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RayStar Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 05:57 AM
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48. YES
The people are now seeing that to hurt Democrats they will suffer the most.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:26 PM
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2. k & r...nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:29 PM
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3. Good! Now, we should all start showing up at these
Town Halls and asking Republicans those questions. Why not? Seems like a worthwhile thing to do. Participate and win or sit home and lose. I like the former idea better than the latter.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:25 PM
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34. Yes. And honestly, the lady in this video is much, much more polite than the teabaggers were in '09.
She's persistent, but she's dialoging and not disrupting. No comparison to the townhall mayhem perpetrated by the teabaggers in '09.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:31 PM
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4. The Tea Bagger training is backfiring.
I wonder what the next plan is. Oh, Its all the democrats plan again.
Where are the blue dogs when their needed.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:41 PM
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6. there is only one possible ending
and it won't be pretty.

These morons have tried for two decades to reach this position of power and more in DC and elsewhere. Their plans were semi-successful with Clinton in office, but he still was reelected and put the economy on a mid class growth path. The Kochs have invested plenty again, and this time they created a whole party to run interference for their evil plans.

Between the paid political operatives following orders, and the true believers who have little in the way of historical knowledge or economic or political understanding, they will never give up. They will only press on harder.

Something's got to give. I just hope it is not violent.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:13 PM
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38. It is however on Rachel tonight Obama's plan was described
and it is no better but will cost one trillion more than Ryan's 'plan'. I hate this country some times.
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 06:53 AM
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50. Rachel also described "The Peoples Budget"
which I am emailing to the President, Boehner, Cantor,Paul Ryan, my own Reps and Senators, The "Gang of Six" with orders to review, accept, introduce, pass and enact. I will probably mass email the lot of these people. I cannot call them "leaders" anymore when they prefer to drive us and this country off a cliff for greed.

Read the budget here; It's a 12 page powerhouse.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
The website:
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:31 PM
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5. K&R... and DU needs to be there !!!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:45 PM
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7. The GOTP set that bar...
They have no right to bitch about it being used against them.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:47 PM
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24. I like that GOTP moniker.
Although I think of GOP as Greedy Obstructionist Plutocrats.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 04:18 PM
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59. I think the GOP
should be called the Greed Over People party because that is their prime focus.
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:51 PM
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8. K&R.
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Lovette Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:58 PM
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9. The tea is bitter
And the party is over!. . . . . .
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:59 PM
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10. Grreat news
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:01 PM
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11. This illustrates how tone deaf DC is to what is going on in the
country.

People are the most financially insecure they have been
since the great Depression. whole towns and sometimes
whole counties are in terrible states, run down, no jobs
no hope. The one thing they thought they could depend
on SS Medicare is being jerked out out of their trembling
hands.

Timing is everything in politics and both parties are way
off base.

The Republicans just want to get rid of it. BAD TIMING.

First get the Economy really going. In the meanstime
both parties should drop everything--get major infrastructure
moving. This would keep things moving --money circulating
through out the economy. This would get the Private Sector
moving much faster. and the faster the Private Sector
grows the faster you pull out the Government Spending.

Jerking the Security Blanket from fearful Americans
is not the best move for either party.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:09 PM
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12. Yesterday I read about these town halls
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 01:33 PM by Lasher
and wondered why progressives aren't giving wingnuts a taste of their own medicine. Turns out, they are doing just that and good for them.

The lie they're trying to spread is that they're not abolishing Medicare because they're calling what's left the same thing. It's the same obfuscation they use with Medicare Advantage. Sounds pretty close so it must be the same thing, hah? Well it's not. Medicare Advantage is a privatized version that costs the US government 14% more than actual Medicare.
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BIGFOOTSDADDY333 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:10 PM
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13. they dug this hole, it's fun to watch and listen to them try to
squirm out of it. in the immortal words of nelson muntz "ha-ha"
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:12 PM
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14. Yesterday I tried to post a notice
about OR Dist 2 Rep Walden-(R) in a local newspaper that he had supported this and it was never approved. This is an "itty-bitty" small town, rural news source.

I am amazed. Rep Walden is getting off "scott-free" with his constituents. A major problem if you want to be a fully informed voter!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:51 PM
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21. Go to the town hall meeting and ask him why he supported it.
Then the people will know.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:13 PM
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33. Maybe an off-the-wall suggestion, but how 'bout making up handbills
that tell the story & just posting them all over, maybe with a little section describing how the local paper doesn't want people to know about this.

Put them on bulletin boards in laundromats, restaurants, etc. Put piles in coffee shops. Hand them out to people on the street. Put them in the drop-in center & the senior center. Go Samizdat.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 12:58 AM
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45. Be careful about naming/shaming "the competition"
Just "Publish and be damned!" and leave it at that.

Don't leave yourself open for prosecution under littering or billposting laws.

Take care to separate reporting from opinion.

Maybe, use advanced "barcodes" alongside plaintext for hyperlinks for added information density. Avoid redirectors, or include as an extra option, alongside the full final destination.

Short and sweet. Try to avoid the appearance of a personal crusade. Avoid monomania, ten copies of ten stories thrown to the winds, not 100 of one.

Samizdat. - Whatever it's true roots, a little sluring gives "Same as 'dat". Throw out enough seeds and something will take root and grow of its own accord.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:27 PM
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15. Good!
Let's see more of that.
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mountainlion55 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:48 PM
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16. yes-yes-yes
Progressives need to be much more militant and get in peoples faces. United we stand divide we fall!:smoke:
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:22 PM
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17. perhaps people are rousing themselves from the Corporate media induced confusion
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 02:23 PM by JohnWxy
about what the Corporate Lobbyist party is really intending to do to our democracy.


recommended!!!




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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:52 PM
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18. Next, we'll see "invite-only" town halls, packed with shills.
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:27 PM
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19. Yes, it's back to the Busher.
I keep getting calls from Rep. Geoff Davis's office (KY) inviting me to participate in phone town halls. A staffer comes on the line, screens my question (which I try to make innocuous), then I wait... and wait... and wait through paeons of praise about how he's "standing up for America." My questions have never been fielded, and probably never will. But if he holds an in-person town hall open to the public, I'll be there with my SS/Medicare questions.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:19 PM
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32. I've attended a phone town hall... ONCE.
Same deal. My question never got asked - made it seem like the event was staged.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 04:29 AM
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47. Yeah, that's how Roe has town hall meeting here in TN.
By phone. I attended the 1st couple by phone. You have to ask a very non-threatening question to get to ask it. Then you get no follow up question if he avoids answering it. So, I quit doing the phone meetings.

Yeah, I'm keeping my eye open for a real town hall meeting too.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:02 PM
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20. Whoop, whoop, yell and question them loudly
Let the thieving bastards have it between the eyes.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:39 PM
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28. Push the limits, just not rough enough to stop the meeting or run their press off.
Let them know we're onto their game.
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perdita9 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:40 PM
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23. As you have sowed ...
... so shall ye reap.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:50 PM
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25. K&R and Many Thanks !
See how they like it when the tables are turned.

But I imagine our set will be more civil and just ask the probing questions.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:10 PM
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29. Even the Teabaggers are pissed...
they finally figured out what they are going to lose under the Ryan "plan"...:rofl:
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lonestarlib Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:14 PM
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30. Think Progress is reporting that a front group of Wall Street
Bankers has been formed and a list of "soft-ball" questions has been handed to right-wing activists in order to keep future town-hall meetings "under control".
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:16 PM
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31. Meehan's such a chicken they are stopping posting comments
They have to *approve* them first -- feathers are sprouting.. :rofl:
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:35 PM
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35. Yay for thinking Republicans!!!! I've been wondering whatever happened to you.
Hell, I have family members that are/were Republicans and they were/are so pretty decent and reasonable people.

Thank God you're beginning to wake up!

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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:52 PM
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36. Video for the Barletta town hall referenced above...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PSsI7lZBH8

The very nerve of the wingnuts in this video to dare to tell someone to sit down and shut up and to cheer when the police lead a very concerned constituent out of the meeting.

I'm sick of them fuckers. It's us or them.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:05 PM
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37. As we can see, this isn't about winning votes -- it's about corporate money ....
If it was in any way about getting elected, the GOP would be moving to the left --

hugely to the left!!

So would the Democrats!!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:46 PM
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:55 PM
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41. Meaning what?
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 12:43 AM
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44. that was bound to happen
with tea baggers using silly signs saying keep government hands off my medicare. ahem. hello. guess who you voted for. bye bye medicare.. or hands off Social Security. (Socialism? ) X_X


Always figured if Republicans gained a large chunk of Congress in 2010, 2012 might be a slam dunk for liberals. Not saying Democrats.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 01:38 AM
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46. K&R
Give Repukes hell at town halls!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 06:46 AM
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49. K&R
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pootbutta Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:33 AM
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51. excellent!!!
what goes around comes around.... sometimes. and when it does, it feel so good.
thanks for posting this.
i actually saw it on facebook.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:40 AM
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52. Not gonna happen...
"Yes, there will be backlash, which hopefully Democrats will pounce on as effectively and forcefully as the Republicans did with health reform. Opposition to the Republican plan to keep taxes for the rich low and Medicare out of reach for everyone else is broad and deep. If Dems can coalesce around that, and stop all the austerity, Social Security cutting bullshit, they've got their issue for 2012."

Yeah right, that'll happen...
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ctsnowman Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:30 AM
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53. If they pass it...
“Sorry Mr. Johnson but it's April and your voucher is used up. Try to stay alive on the streets for the rest of the year and we will see you Jan 1rst. By the way did you here about our new stealth jet fighter?”
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:37 AM
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54. "and then it got ugly"
:thumbsup:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:40 AM
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55. dold is a fool. his district is far from teabagger country.
i predict he will be a one term wonder. his district is old school republican, and barely that.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 02:59 PM
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56. This is wonderful. Now if we can just get the Democrats to stop talking about
how Deficit Reduction is THE MOST IMPORTANT agenda item of the 21st century, we MIGHT be able to beat back these challenges by the Corporatists. The scary part is that Democrats are still acting as if they have to compromise with the Republicans on these issues.

They DO NOT have to compromise. They just need to keep the heat turned up to 'High' until the Republicans start to turn tail.

I hate to say this, but based on what I've seen for the last four years, the Democrats don't have the spine to do what's needed. Even with massive public support. They still rely too heavily on corporate funding for their election campaigns.

But, I'm hoping I'll be proved wrong.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:37 PM
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57. I'm all out of Hope™.
Edited on Sat Apr-23-11 08:37 PM by libmom74
The Dems are just as corporate controlled as the repukes. It will take massive civil unrest at this point to wrest our country back from the brink of fascism.
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luv_mykatz Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:46 PM
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58. Yahoo!!!!
LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce: :fistbump: :loveya:
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