Sharia Law ::: Saudia Arabia Executes Sudanese National for SORCERY

[vets74]

Source: Amnesty International, New Statesman

The Troy Davis execution/killing/judicial_murder is bad. This is crazy bad.

Abdul Hamid bin Hussain bin Moustafa al-Fakki was beheaded in Madina on Monday.

"Abdul Hamid's execution is appalling as is Saudi Arabia's continuing use of this most cruel and extreme penalty," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's Director for the Middle East and North Africa. "That he should have been executed without having committed anything that would appear to constitute a crime is yet another deeply upsetting example of why the Saudi Arabian government should immediately cease executions and take steps to abolish the death penalty."

Saudi Arabia has now executed 44 people this year. Eleven were foreign nationals.


Read more: http://amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/saudi-arabia-executes-man-convicted-sorcery-2011-09-20

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Meanwhile in other cases Ali Sibat, a Labenese national whose "crime" was telling fortunes on satellite teevee, was arrested while on pilgrimmage in Medina in 2008. He came close to being executed and remains on death row.

Fawza Falih was beaten and accused of making a man impotent by means of magic. The only evidence was the "victim's" testimony. She died on death row last year. "She choked on her food."

KSA deserves whatever derision falls on their heads. Executing people for imaginary actions -- that is murder.

(That'll also teach you not to sell bootleg "Harry Potter" tapes in KSA.)

[LeftinOH]

1. One of America's closest allies:

[patrick t. cakes]

3. beat me to it

[orpupilofnature57]

4. The other Brother ,who were the only people flying 9/12/01?

[boppers]

32. Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

[bongbong]

14. Explanation

Simple explanation for the pictures. Cheney's spokesperson & the Saudi despot are just comparing numbers on how many they've killed.

[DissedByBush]

17. I stopped using that when

[Psephos]

30. You forgot one...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef012875a01896970c-800wi

[CJvR]

2. Ah!

Isn't religous law great?

[vets74]

5. Welcome to Sharia !

[joshcryer]

25. Where is Sharia mentioned anywhere there?

[CJvR]

34. Religous police...

...you know the nice guys who's job it is to keep Saudiarabia holy enough.

[joshcryer]

26. "The crime of "sorcery" is not defined in Saudi Arabian law," this isn't law, this is barbarity.

[CJvR]

33. Im sure...

...you can find a passage somewhere in the Quran or Hadiths supporting the killing of sorcerers and witches, otherwise the Saudi religous police wouldn't be so worked up about a simple conman.

[Nye Bevan]

6. Executing black people for killing white people is just as bad (nt)

[ZombieHorde]

7. I am agaisnt the death penalty, but I don't think executing for murder is the same as

executing for sorcery.

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. What about executing people who murder people of their own race?

[lurky]

9. Yeah, I mean who hasn't killed a few white people?

:wow:




(For the record, I have not killed any people, white or otherwise)

[Dogtown]

11. What?

I cannot make sense of your post. Could you elaborate?

[Nye Bevan]

12. Sorry, I could have phrased it better. Try this:

Executing people for sorcery is horribly wrong. But so is having a death penalty that is applied in an arbitrary and blatantly race-discriminatory manner, which is what happens in the US.

[Dogtown]

13. I get it now.

& thanks for your patience.

[4saken]

18. It's applied arbitrarily?

So let me get this straight, the death penalty for murder is arbitrary? You just said the person had murdered someone. So why would either of their races be relevant? Who is actually asserting its relevance?

Are you just presuming a racial bias from every Judge? Or if not, please describe the mechanism within the law that is leading to race discrimination in these judgements. Or whatever evidence you have for your position. A correlation without causation doesn't do it either, as the social and cultural factors that determine behavior are not being controlled for.

[leftynyc]

35. Yes, it is applied arbitrarily

If you're a minority and especially if you're poor, much more likely to get the death penalty. When was the last time a rich person was put to death by the state?

[4saken]

39. Sure, the ability to hire defendents adds an element of bias...

...towards whoever can hire the best defendant. Which may leave that partially due to a lack of very good public defenders. However, how do you conclude that a minority is more likely to receive the death penalty? Are you appealing to an assumed racism of the judge? If not, what mechanism would conclude with such? For all I'm seeing are statistics that do not control for sub-cultures and societal norms, and have no causal relation with the so called minority attribute(s).

[leftynyc]

44. The public defenders

are very good lawyers - they're just horribly overworked and when it comes to the appeals process, hopelessly underqualified. As far as minorities getting the death penalty far more than white, the statistics are all out there. Start with any southern state.

[4saken]

50. How do those statistics control for the cultural and societal factors?

Which are what determine behavior. The "racial" trait played a role within the society beforehand, to result in more of a correlation in the stats. Geographic distribution, identity and grouping also determines many of our influences. For example, there are sub-cultures that easily accept violence as a solution, and such gangs exist in certain locations. If most in such a gang get the death penalty for murder, it wasn't their genes that caused them to accept that sub-culture and its mindset, it was their environment. It was the culture of violence and the society that lead them to it. You aren't claiming that it's just racist judges when there are so many other factors that can make people group together, share a mindset, and result at least partially in those stats, right? I certainly wouldn't say that there is no racial bias finding a way into court, many have subconscious racist preconceptions. However there are also other cultural and societal factors that help form those stats.

[geomon666]

10. It's only a matter of time...

before we get all of those godless broom riding sons of biscuit eaters!

[gratuitous]

15. What's the purpose of having the death penalty if you're not going to use it?

And, really, does it make a difference what the crime is or whether all those quaint old due process niceties were observed? The important thing is, has been, and always will be the power of the state to kill people. The rest is window dressing, no more germane to the fact at had hand than the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

[valerief]

16. Coming to batshit crazy U.S. in 5, 4, 3, 2...

[vets74]

20. It takes Bachmann, Perry, et.al. to make Romney look normal.

The dog tied on the roof of the car guy...............

[valerief]

22. Yeah! Ha! And corporations are people. I wonder how many one night stands he's had with corporations

[irislake]

19. Wow are they ever evil!

I wonder if any Christian Americans are that cruel and bloodthirsty.

Naw.

[24601]

21. No populating is exempt from having both the best and the worst

humanity has to offer.

I did notice notice in a classic documentary, Life of Brian, that 2000 years ago, women weren't permitted at stonings - unless they had the starring role,

[vets74]

40. Georgia. Today.

[struggle4progress]

23. If the Saudis had a written penal code, at least people would know what the law was

[joshcryer]

24. "Sharia" is not mentioned in the title of that article...

...or in fact anywhere on the page linked.

[4saken]

31. Well it's kinda implied when we are talking about Saudi Arabia's laws as they stand.

If you do some searching for sihr(black magic), jinn and Sharia law you will find that many believe in it. And that have an interpretation of God's law(Sharia law) that can punish for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft#Islam

"The death penalty can be imposed for a wide range of offences including murder, rape, armed robbery, repeated drug use, apostasy, adultery, witchcraft and sorcery and can be carried out by beheading with a sword, stoning or firing squad, followed by crucifixion."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Law_and_human_rights

[vets74]

42. Sharia Law is the penal code in KSA. Saudi Gazette article here...

Sudanese sorcerer beheaded in Medina

RIYADH — A Sudanese man was beheaded Monday in Madina after he was convicted of practicing sorcery, the Interior Ministry announced.

Abdul Hamid Al-Fakki “practiced witchcraft and sorcery,” which are illegal under the Shariah law, said a ministry statement.

Rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking are all punishable by death under the Shariah law enforced strictly in the Kingdom.

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That's why Azkaban is located 2 miles below the Borg's Ka'aba.

[Zorra]

27. More wacko fundamentalist RW religious nuts killing innocent people.

They're all the same no matter what the name.

[Name removed]

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[leftynyc]

36. You are very confused

If you compare burning Beatles records with executing for sorcery, you're being very simple minded. And what do you have against the Amish? If you think it's the same life for a woman in Saudi Arabia that it is here, you need to educate yourself...quickly.

[4saken]

41. How much do you know about the Amish?

The Amish principle of shunning is so socially destructive that I can certainly see why BloomTownie might prefer some interpretations of the Islamic teachings over it. However the right wing here is just as predictably non-thinking for the same reasons as the Saudis who agree with these laws, for accepting these purported concepts and directions of their deity.

[leftynyc]

45. I'd rather be shunned

than have my head cut off for being a sorcerer or gay. But that's just me.

[Name removed]

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[leftynyc]

47. Are you deranged?

There is nothing about sharia law that is progressive. And trust me, my neck would be on the chopping block in a second if I had to live under sharia law. Do you really want to compare which religion does more to keep women down - Christianity or Islam? Seriously?

[leftynyc]

48. BTW

I just reported you cuz the troll stink is strong with you. Nauseating, really.

[Name removed]

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[4saken]

51. Not all forms of Islam, and interpretations of Sharia law result in that...

The person you responded to only referred to it as Islam, which can imply a wide range of interpretations. Not just the one that accepts beheading as a punishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam

You will find that many Muslims have found ways of interpreting the Quran in very different ways. Similar to Christians and the Bible.

So I would certainly agree with him that a family of moderate liberal Muslims would be much more agreeable to me than a family of Amish.

[Mimosa]

37. Shameful post above.

You're helping nobody and your comment exudes ignorance.

[vets74]

43. Amish NEVER proselitize, recruit, evangelize.

They'll send their kids over to work on your property at good
rates.

Five years ago, when one Charles Roberts went mad and killed 5
Amish school girls and himself, the Amish community
immediately forgave him and set about comforting his family
along with the families of the victims.

The Amish are a great people.

[4saken]

53. No, the Amish church is a very disgusting cult.

Recruiting and evangelizing are far from the only negative aspects of a religion. They are actually some of the least damaging aspects.

The social divisiveness of a religion is one of the major negative factors. And the Amish are the epitome of divisive. Especially when you consider that individuals raised in such communities have little awareness of the outside world, so being shunned from the community is devastating and completely life changing. They appeal entirely to tradition, lacking any ability to learn from mistakes derived from their tradition, such as their principle of shunning. They value their tradition far above the well being of their fellow humans. Skewing their moral compass drastically when tradition is involved.

Here's a video series about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TU3AYgYlW4

[Vidar]

29. "Forward into the the past." Apologies to Firesign Theater.

[No Elephants]

38. We allowed all of Sharia law to be incorporated by reference into the Iraqi Constitution.

Bushco should be jailed for life for that alone.

[JohnWxy]

52. Hey, if a Tea party idiot gets elected we won't be too far behind!

[BiggJawn]

54. Wonder how long before the US starts executing "Sorcerers"...

The New Apostolic Reformation plans to stone non-believers. I'm sure "Sorcerers" (what century are we living in again, please?) and "fortune tellers" and other practitioners of Woo will run afoul of the other practitioners of Woo.