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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 04:16 AM
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Guardian: The real reasons Bush went to war
There were only two credible reasons for invading Iraq: control over oil and preservation of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Overseeing Iraq oil supplies and maybe soon supplies from other Gulf countries, would enable the US to use oil as power. In 1990 the then oil man Dick Cheney, wrote that: whoever controls the flow of Persian Gulf oil has a stranglehold not only on our economy, but also on the other countries of the world as well.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1270414,00.html
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 05:31 AM
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1. Peak Oil - Learn More Here
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Out of Gas: The End of the Age of Oil
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 05:33 AM
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2. Real reason.... excellent
In 1990 the then oil man Dick Cheney, wrote that: whoever controls the flow of Persian Gulf oil has a stranglehold not only on our economy, but also on the other countries of the world as well.<<

Once upon a time.... America was strong because she did what was right. Once upon a time... the same "might" have been said about the Romans...

so... rather than develop technology that would enable us to do without so much oil... we just decide to commandeer it... hmmmm... good job dick. This should reduce the increase in terrorism lickety split... or not. Pathetic leaders locked in an untenable position.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 05:48 AM
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3. BushCo
The members of this Junta should be locked up in prison for at least 20 years.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 05:50 AM
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4. We talked about this months ago on DU.
We need to sit with our Army on that oil and the money must be filled through dollars not Euros. This country is in trouble with debt.Bad business.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 07:11 AM
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5. About time the Guardian figured that out, this is from Dec 2002
http://www.rupe-india.org/34/military.html

Military Solution to an Economic Crisis

Indeed the US has taken the contrary course. It plans to reverse the various trends mentioned above by seizing the world’s richest oil-producing regions. This it deems necessary for three related reasons.

1. Securing US supplies: First, the US itself is increasingly dependent on oil imports—already a little over half its daily consumption of 20 million barrels is imported. It imports its oil from a variety of sources—Canada, Venezuela, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, even Iraq. But its own production is falling, and will continue to fall steadily, even as its consumption continues to grow. In future, inevitably, it will become increasingly dependent on oil from west Asia-north Africa—a region where the masses of ordinary people despise the US, where three of the leading oil producers (Iraq, Iran and Libya) are professedly anti-American, and the others (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates) are in danger of being toppled by anti-American forces. The US of course doing its best to tie up or seize supplies from other regions—west Africa, northern Latin America, the Caspian region. And yet the US cannot escape the simple arithmetic:

“The US Department of Energy and the International Energy Agency both project that global oil demand could grow from the current 77 million barrels a day (mbd) to 120 mbd in 20 years, driven by the US and the emerging markets of south and east Asia. The agencies assume that most of the supply required to meet this demand must come from OPEC, whose production is expected to jump from 28 mbd in 1998 to 60 mbd in 2020. Virtually all of this increase would come from the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia.

“A simple fact explains this conclusion: 63 per cent of the world’s proven oil reserves are in the Middle East, 25 per cent (or 261 billion barrels) in Saudi Arabia alone...

“Although Asian demand for oil is expected to grow dramatically in coming decades, no other economy rivals that of the United States for the growth of its oil imports. Over the past decade, the increase in the US share of the oil market, in terms of trade, was higher than the total oil consumption in any other country, save Japan and China. The US increase in imports accounts for more than a third of the total increase in oil trade and more than half of the total increase in OPEC’s production during the 1990s. This fact, together with the fall in US oil production, means that the US will remain the single most important force in the oil market.” (“The Battle for Energy Dominance”, Edward L. Morse and James Richard, Foreign Affairs, March-April 2002; emphases added)

Given its growing dependence on oil imports, the US cannot afford to allow the oil producing regions to be under the influence of any other power, or independent.1

2. Maintaining dollar hegemony: Secondly, if other imperialist powers were able to displace US dominance in the region, the dollar would be dealt a severe blow. The pressure for switching to the euro would become irresistible and would ring the death knell of dollar supremacy. On the other hand, complete US control of oil would preserve the rule of the dollar (not only would oil producers continue to use the dollar for their international trade, but the dollar’s international standing would rise) and hurt the credibility of the euro.

In the 1990s the major OPEC countries, after two decades of discouraging or prohibiting foreign investment in oil and gas fields, raced to invite foreign investment again to carry out massive new developments. In the late 1990s Venezuela, Iran, and Iraq struck massive deals with foreign firms for major fields. Even Saudi Arabia invited proposals for development of its untapped natural gas reserves, a move that oil giants responded to with alacrity in the hope the country’s mammoth oil fields too would later be opened to foreign investment. However, American firms were shut out of Iran and Iraq by their own government’s sanctions; French, Russian and Chinese firms got the contracts instead. Chavez’s increasing assertiveness threatens to shut American firms out of Venezuela as well. The Saudi deal—which the American firms were to lead—stands cancelled, apparently because of the Saudi government’s fear of public resentment. Thus, if it does not invade the west Asian region, the US stands to lose dollar hegemony by losing control of the major oil field development projects in the next decade.

Much more at link
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 10:36 AM
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6. But like any good vice
or mental illness it develops into a network, a complex of supporting motives and alliances. Oil is foremost for without that most any other motive would collapse, but make no mistake about all the other "benefits" especially darker more personally lucrative or grandiose temptations.

The dollar like our military is a power being exercised to ensure dominance while we are at our "peak", a temptation many many nations have succumbed to very shortly upon realizing that strength. But it is not just the plan or the motivations but pathetic and disgusting inadequacy and venality of these would be conquerors- the worst and last of a dying breed, mostly chickenhawk delusional ideologues- doomed by all those elements and inadequacies before they ever drove our might and prosperity into the quicksand of their righteous desires.

No one has even been more unjustifiably arrogant or dumb, which is why the empire fell to doom before its first baby missteps were even taken.
it gives inexorable Greek tragedy a bad name. In the sixties it had some hubristic dignity, some anguish and pathos. Now is is is just a disgusting stubborn fraud like an annoying mosquito. A humiliation in its purest form.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 10:49 AM
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7. What about war profiteering and the private looting of both Iraq and US
treasuries? They may not be credible reasons for a country to go to war but they are certainly credible motives for *co. SOP.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 11:14 AM
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8. Spoken like a true oil junkie, Dick
Edited on Wed Jul-28-04 11:15 AM by ixion
rather than adjust our technologies, we'll just commandere (STEAL) anything we need. Oh yeah, right... that's going to go over big with the rest of the world. :eyes:

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