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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 03:46 PM
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Joe Klein: The Trouble with Polls
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Take polling, please. The vast majority of Americans?as many as 90%, pollsters have told me privately?refuse to answer questions when the wizard calls (although the number is marginally better this hot election year). People who use cell phones exclusively, mostly younger voters, are unreachable. The wizards say they can correct for these things, by "weighting" their polls?that is, giving disproportionate weight to members of underrepresented groups like young people. But surely that makes polling less scientific and more speculative. It means polls should be trusted only to verify broad shifts?Bush moved ahead in the presidential race after the Republican Convention?rather than specific point spreads. There are other problems. Volatile times make for less accurate polling. The wizards base their model electorates, inevitably, on who voted last time. Earth-shattering events like the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the war in Iraq could yield a substantially different electorate in 2004, but no one knows whether that means, for instance, that there will be a surge of military-draft-fearing 18-to-24-year-olds coming out to vote this year. The subject of Iraq, in itself, has to be hard to poll; people are torn among their loyalty to the troops, their lack of knowledge about a previously obscure part of the world and the nagging sense that something has gone quite wrong. Mixed feelings are difficult to quantify.

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Full article at:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/klein.polls/index.html
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 03:47 PM
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1. Punctuation problems are from the orignal...
...as displayed in my browser.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 03:50 PM
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2. Important thought...
...about polling.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 03:52 PM
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3. I agree with the premise, but it's really hard not to watch them!
Every damn news or quasi news show has several! The ones I love the most are the ones that are all over the board! Sure convinces me that none of them really have any idea!!
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southern democrat Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 03:54 PM
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4. I tell you another wild card with polls.
I believe the married womens polling can be inaccurate.In conservitive households if the wife answers the pollster and the husband hears,they lie sometimes just to keep from arguing with the con.hubby.Believe me many wives cancel their husbands votes.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:07 PM
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6. You are so right...
...My wife and I have a friend who does this very thing.

Hubby is a big, boozy "man's man" who was on the Repuglican central committee for our county primarily by virtue of being able to outyell everyone, I suspect. He is not without his redeeming qualities -- he's remarkably generous for a 'pug -- but the wife (our friend) must have the patience of Job.

She comes over to our house to work with my wife on projects for the school and after much talking around the point admitted she was going to vote for Kerry this year. But she only talks in a low voice about this, even though she's two miles from her own house.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:05 PM
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5. "Professional" poll takers and focus group participants have been...
Edited on Fri Oct-08-04 04:06 PM by whistle
...working their way into research facilities for decades. This is not a new problem. Reputable research companies have used safeguards to minimize the impact of such individuals including screener questions, pregroup resurveys and even not paying incentives for participating in surveys. But today, companies are dropping their safeguards and allowing such individuals to pass through without even attempting to screen them. The industry has brought this on itself because of greed by large media conglomerates and political organizations. The corrupt companies hopefully will fall aside and those who can keep integrity as their primary objective will continue to find ways to conduct valid research.
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