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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:28 AM
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Robert Scheer - CIA withholding a damning report that names names

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer19oct19,1,6762967.column?coll=la-util-op-ed

The 9/11 Secret in the CIA's Back Pocket
The agency is withholding a damning report that points at senior officials.
Robert Scheer

October 19, 2004

It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general's office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.

"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."

When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered. "We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report," she said. "We are very concerned."

According to the intelligence official, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity, release of the report, which represents an exhaustive 17-month investigation by an 11-member team within the agency, has been "stalled." First by acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and now by Porter J. Goss, the former Republican House member (and chairman of the Intelligence Committee) who recently was appointed CIA chief by President Bush.

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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:30 AM
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1. Keep kicked and spread the word
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 10:31 AM by troublemaker
This is a very good issue
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:31 AM
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2. Stalled, not shredded? I'm impressed.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 06:11 AM
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31. The article implies that the report is being "sanitized" to protect the
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 06:28 AM by Vitruvius
Bu$h gang. From the article:

"A U.S. intelligence official said Tuesday that the document had not been provided to Congress because it was not complete. 'The report is just a draft,' the official said. 'It's not yet finished, and the matter is still under review.' The official declined to elaborate."

Translation: the Bu$h appointees at the top of the CIA are rewriting the report and taking out the accountability.

I do hope that some CIA patriot leaks the "draft" before it's watered down to nothing. The preliminary leak to Scheer is encouraging -- sounds like somebody's laying the groundwork...

Vitruvius

P.S: This is what the brass also do in industry; you turn in a finished report that reaches an accurate but politically unpalatable conclusion, and all-of-a-sudden, the brass are telling the intended recipients that it's "just a draft", that it's "under review", and that they'll get the approved report Real Soon Now (i.e. as far into the future as the brass can stall it).

NOBODY turns a "draft" in to the higher-ups; the higher-ups demand, expect, and receive a finished report. Every time. Whether it's in industry or gov't. "Just a draft" means the top brass are rewriting it to say what they want to hear -- most likely with advice from Karl Rove.

And when some honcho stalls your report to suppress or rewrite it, the standard political response is to find a way for it to leak -- thus pre-empting the sanitized version and making it look like the cover-up it is. And the CIA is a very political outfit...
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:32 AM
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3. Aaaaaargh!!!
Well, if all these attempts by the admin to influence the vote to go their way work, at least we'll have time to impeach the idiot and his idiot cabinet.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:35 AM
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4. Leak it if they won't release it!
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:19 PM
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12. Damn straight
looks like leaking this would help save this nation, and Bush has made plenty of enemies in the intelligence community.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:40 AM
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5. Outrageous!
:kick:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:43 AM
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6. Why is it that we have to get our news through columnists now?
Seems that way at LAte Times....
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:43 AM
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7. Kickin'...
:kick:
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:57 AM
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8. If they can leak that they have the report.... and leak that it names name
and leak that the Admin is stalling it... why not leak the names too? :)
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nitetalker Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:34 PM
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13. Amen, beyurslf !
kickaroo!
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:58 AM
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9. To all America loving CIA agents, LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is the last straw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
leak,leak,leak,leak,leak,leak,leak,leak,leak..............
PUT YOUR COUNTRY FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:59 AM
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10. Kicked
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 11:00 AM by Champion_Jack
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:46 AM
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28. Leak it next week.
Mid-week would be best. Nice three-day news cycle, discussed as Item One on the weekend/Sunday talk shows, to bury the Chimperor for good.

No way in holy hell those fascist cretins could recover.

We don't NEED this to win, but damn, wouldn't that be suh-weet revenge, served ice cold.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:59 AM
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11. I wish Jane Harmon would get more than just "concerned."
Our side is always "displeased" or "concerned" or "disappointed."
When do they ever get freakin' OUTRAGED?
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:03 PM
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14. Whimpy ass Democrats to nothing but say, PLEASE! Get the damn
report out, do what we pay you to do, provide us with information so that when we go to the polls we hold our representatives and president accountable for acting or not acting in our best interest! I'm going to vote against every incumbent if the incumbents don't start doing something than being 'concerned.' Goddamn it, the repugs were all over Clinton for every damn thing he did, they were so sue happy and how they get away with saying trial lawyers and such are terrible, when that is all they did in the Clinton years, is beyond me. For christ sakes people, why don't you just hand them the election on a fucking silver platter?
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:18 PM
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15. kick
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:25 PM
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16. This is the October Surprise from the CIA for Kerry. It'll be leaked
now because the CIA professionals have been at war with the Bush White House. This will be their way of getting rid of the biggest and most dangerous fuck up on Earth.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:02 PM
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17. Somebody inside the CIA needs to grow a pair
and leak this!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:35 PM
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18. Spread the Word!!!!
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer19oct19,1,6762967.column?coll=la-util-op-ed

<snip>

"What all the other reports on 9/11 did not do is point the finger at individuals, and give the how and what of their responsibility. This report does that," said the intelligence official. "The report found very senior-level officials responsible."

By law, the only legitimate reason the CIA director has for holding back such a report is national security. Yet neither Goss nor McLaughlin has invoked national security as an explanation for not delivering the report to Congress.

"It surely does not involve issues of national security," said the intelligence official.

"The agency directorate is basically sitting on the report until after the election," the official continued. "No previous director of CIA has ever tried to stop the inspector general from releasing a report to the Congress, in this case a report requested by Congress."

<snip>

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer19oct19,1,6762967.column?coll=la-util-op-ed
____________

CIA: Release the report, NOW!!!

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:58 PM
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19. Hey, maybe we should write letters to members of the congressional.....
intelligence committees demanding that they get a hold of this before the election, so that we can have a clearer idea of who we should vote for in relation to security.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:02 PM
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20. How do we nominate this item for the front page?
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rlev1223 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:59 PM
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21. Harmon...
should go to the CIA and camp at their door, inviting a few cameras
to come alog. In fact, why don't we suggest it to her?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:24 PM
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22. You know if there was ANYTHING POSITIVE $hrubco could use,
this report would be on every network within the hour.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:37 PM
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23. Here´s another link to the Scheer article (no registration required)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:39 PM
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24. That's what they wanted Porter Goss there for
Goss has been covering up everything since the 1990's CIA cocaine scandal. I posted a bunch on this back when he was nominated -- don't remember the details now -- but I said that his real purpose at the CIA would be to keep the lid on. Looks like he's just doing his job.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:27 AM
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25. bump
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:29 AM
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26. another day, another KICK
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:37 AM
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27. WorkingforChange.com has action item to be done on this
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:56 PM
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29. Kick. Read this and keep this thread alive !!!!
This is damning evidence against the * team !!!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:41 PM
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30. Kick n/t
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wysiwyg Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:22 AM
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32. Just the LA Times and Salon
Has anyone else seen more coverage of this? It's not even mentioned on Rep. Harmans web page as far as I can see.

Of course elected Democrats don't want to offend the Republicans by asking too many questions. God forbid anyone holds a press conference about the withheld report.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:58 AM
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33. LA Times, Oct. 20- CIA says document isn't finished....yeah, right.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 09:58 AM by realFedUp
http://www.latimes.com/news/yahoo/la-na-cia20oct20,1,2601757.story

Lawmakers Prod CIA for Pre-9/11 Accountability Report
The agency says the document isn't finished, but some think they're stalling to benefit Bush.
By Greg Miller
Times Staff Writer

October 20, 2004

WASHINGTON — The ranking members of the House Intelligence Committee have asked the CIA to turn over an internal report on whether agency employees should be held accountable for intelligence failures leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks, congressional officials said Tuesday.

The CIA has not responded to the request, raising concerns among some Democrats in Congress that the report is being withheld to avoid embarrassment for the Bush administration in the final weeks before the presidential election.

The report was drafted in response to a demand from Congress nearly two years ago for the CIA to conduct an internal inquiry into the performance of agency personnel before the attacks. The agency was asked "to determine whether and to what extent personnel at all levels should be held accountable" for intelligence breakdowns cataloged in a joint congressional investigation of Sept. 11.
No agency employee has been fired or faced other disciplinary measures in connection with Sept. 11 inquiries, a fact that has frustrated critics of the CIA and relatives of those who were killed in the attacks.

A U.S. intelligence official said Tuesday that the document had not been provided to Congress because it was not complete. "The report is just a draft," the official said. "It's not yet finished, and the matter is still under review." The official declined to elaborate.
But congressional officials voiced skepticism and said that mounting frustration with the agency had prompted the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), and the ranking Democrat, Rep. Jane Harman of Venice, to send a letter to the CIA two weeks ago directing the agency to deliver the report.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:01 AM
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34. The reason for Peter Goss
His installation may be shortlived but
his purpose has been met.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:24 AM
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35. Democracy Now Discusses Today
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jakenjoe Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:41 AM
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36. Anyone have a list of e-mail addresses for major media outlets?
It would be nice to be able to pressure them with this.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:42 AM
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37. Try here
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:30 AM
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39. Hi jakenjoe!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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craiger58 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:26 AM
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38. Rove and company are amazing at hiding the goods until its is something
that benefits their cause...

After the CBS debacle will any news network have the guts to run a story like this without proof... You know that "liberal media" thing that they are all afraid of...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:31 AM
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40. Hi craiger58!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:07 PM
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41. hey craiger58
welcome to DU.

What's it gonna take to get some justice
in this country?
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Laura M Hanning Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:03 PM
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42. "CIA Act of 1949"
“CIA Act of 1949”
by Laura Landsberg Hanning
http://home.earthlink.net/~sammark4/id99.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~silent_no_more99/id16.html (Mirror)


I found “Blank Check: The Pentagon’s Black Budget” at the Dollar Store years ago. The author, Tim Weiner, won the Pulitzer Prize for national reporting for the series of articles in the Philadelphia Inquirer that led to this book. (Time Warner Books, NY, NY, 1990, ISBN# 0-446-51452-7)

Pg. 118:

“The Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949 is the sole legal basis for secret government spending in America. It remains one of the more unusual acts of legislation in the nation’s history.”

“The CIA Act was reviewed behind closed doors by the ranking members of the Armed Services committees of both houses. Vinson* summed up the secret sessions by saying: ‘We will just have to tell the House they will have to accept our judgment and we cannot answer a great many questions that might be asked.’ The same cloaking of the bill took place in the Senate. The ‘highly confidential nature’ of the bill precluded open debate on its contents.”

Pg. 140:

“Where the Constitution speaks clearly, its rules are absolute. The Constitution gives Congress sole power ‘to raise and support Armies.’ The CIA had raised and supported secret armies. The Constitution prohibited the President from going to war without Congress’ consent. Presidents had used the CIA to mount secret acts of war. And the Constitution says the President and his agents cannot spend a cent without a lawful and public appropriation. The CIA could carry out any order so long as it could get and spend money secretly.”

Pg. 216:

“Secret weapons cannot be built and secret wars cannot be fought without a secret treasury. The Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949 legalized secret government spending and made shadow wars and clandestine programs possible. In time, the secrecy that shrouded the CIA’s covert actions would envelop the nation’s most expensive weaponry and its most elaborate foreign policies.”

· text in < > inserted by me.

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From James DeEugenio’s “Destiny Betrayed: JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case” (Sheridan Square Press, NY, NY, 1992. ISBN# 1-879823-00-4)

Pg. 276:

“Some of the Warren Commissioners were duped – like Cooper, Russell, and Boggs – and they lived to regret it (25)**. But some of the Commissioners – like Dulles and McCloy – actually perpetrated its frauds. And they went even further. Because they were part of the founding of the national security state, they felt no compunctions about allying with Nazis: borrowing, pardoning, or granting free entry into American life, members of the ugliest, most insane fascist dream ever fashioned.”

Pg. 277-9:

…”Dulles needed Gehlen’s warped and exaggerated view of the Soviet threat to expand and perpetuate the new American security fortress that included: Gehlen, Dornberger, and Paper Clip; Bormann and Odessa; McCloy and the Krupps; the coups and assassinations of the Eisenhower era; the CIA-Mafia ties; the gun-running and dope- trafficking. And all the while, great fortunes were being made in the growing military-industrial complex, which men like Dulles and McCloy represented in their law firms (26).”

“Kennedy was perceived as a threat to all these powerful interests, in his foreign policy changes, his brother’s war on the mob, his coming showdown with the Agency. Garrison’s inquiry threatened to expose all these machinations…”

…”Garrison … was not condescending to the American people. He harbored no such insecurities about himself or his feelings about his country. In short, he had no such neofascist sympathies. Dulles, McCloy, and Shaw all saw the horrors of World War II from the intelligence and logistics office sidelines. They dealt with their counterparts from the Third Reich on an official, almost comradely basis. Garrison saw the results of fascism carried to its extreme at Dachau. In his confrontation with the Warren Commission and Shaw, Garrison was the true democrat, telling the people the truth and letting them decide for themselves on the basis of the facts. In a January 1968 Ramparts article, the DA quoted an ancient maxim: ‘Let justice be done though the heavens fall.’(27) He added, “if we don’t fight for the truth now, we may never have another chance….’”

** see book for sources

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From “A Nation Betrayed: The Chilling True Story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on Our Children and Other Innocent People” by Carol Rutz (Fidelity Publishing, P.O. Box 365, Grass Lake, MI, 49240-0365, 2001, ISBN# 0-9710102-0-X)

Pg. 4:

“General Reinhard Gehlen was head of Nazi Intelligence for the Eastern front for Hitler. Allen Dulles hired him to work for the Army’s G-2 intelligence in West Germany and put him in charge of the Gehlen organization, a counterespionage network that employed thousands of people to supply the Pentagon and the CIA with intelligence on the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. It was riddled with former SS, SA, and Gestapo men. (31)*** His top aides were Nazi zealots who had committed some of the most notorious crimes of the war. Gehlen himself was involved in the torture, interrogation, and murder by starvation of some four million Soviet prisoners…”

…”Gehlen signed a contract with the CIA in 1949 for a reported sum of $5 million a year… In September 2000 after fifty years of silence, the Central Intelligence Agency in an affidavit in US District Court acknowledged an intelligence relationship with German General Reinhard Gehlen. (33)”

Pgs. 13-16:

“The CIA was about to determine if I would be a proper candidate for future experiments. I proved to be everything they wanted and more. Since I was just a baby in diapers when my dad started abusing me, I learned to go someplace else in my head to preserve my sanity. After awhile, when my grandfather started doing the same things and worse, I learned to dissociate even more. I began creating separate parts or personalities to hold the memories of this trauma. The technical term is alters. In a memo dated six months before I was first used in experiments, Bluebird**** states that practical -- not theoretical research be conducted and carried out…”

…”To use a child to investigate these possibilities I find so morally reprehensible, that I have a difficult time fathoming how my grandfather could hand me over. He did. The following day I was put in a white panel van with my little suitcase. Little Girl (my two year old alter) will tell you, as Paul Harvey says, ‘The rest of the story.’ (xvi)”


”…He drops us off to Crazy Eddy. Crazy Eddy has a derby hat, a suit with a vest and white spats on. He’s got a big shiny white limousine with a funny thing on the trunk. We’s goin to Detroit. We gots our dress and black patent leather shoes on, and we falls asleep in the back seat with our thumb in our mouth. We got no blanket to cover up with.”

Crazy Eddy says,

“Time to wake up, time to wake up.”

He be shakin us. We is here – Detroit. Some men give Crazy Eddy a stash of cash to take back to the grandfather, and after he gets off the plane this other big shot guy says,

“Little Drip, can he be depended on to keep his mouth shut?”

A man named Mr. Dull-ass (48) says,

“Creeps like that are a dime a dozen. He knows what will happen if he breathes a word of this.”

Then they starts talking about ‘Little Girl’. That’s me. They tell me I’m special, real special and that they is gonna study my mind real good and see what makes us tick.


*** see book for sources
**** CIA’s Project Bluebird

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When Kathy Layow was my best friend, I spent a lot of time painting something for her
as a Christmas present. I had a Christmas card with a picture of a little boy on his knees praying by his bed. I painted this scene for her on a nice piece of stained wood.

Kenny used to come by my window in the 3rd bedroom and visit with me as I would stay up late nights to work on this. It turned out really well – it was a nice gift.

I think Kathy said Thank You when I gave it to her. Some time later I went over to her house and she left me alone in her room for a while. The painting was not hanging on the wall so I looked around for it. I found it under a stack of papers and other things on her closet floor.

My son told me a few years ago that painting is what I do best. He loved it when I painted.

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I think I was in college when Wendy gave me a book as a gift: “Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain.” That must have been some kind of joke. She was a little snide about it. That’s where the huge surgical scar is in my skull – just above my right ear. I guess my parents had that part of my brain removed.

From “Closer to the Light: Learning from the Near-Death Experiences of Children” by Melvin Morse, M.D. with Paul Perry (Ivy Books, NY, 1990, ISBN# 0-8041-0832-3).

Pgs. 118-125 (underlines mine):


Ward remembered one patient who experienced every trait of the near-death experience while Wilder Penfield poked an area of his brain with an electric probe.

…Ward thought that the area Penfield was probing was the right temporal lobe.

…This was an intriguing lead. Our team of researchers began to examine Penfield’s work. Buried in a forty-year-old textbook, we found clear reference to areas of the brain, when electrically stimulated, produced out-of-body experiences. At times patients on his operating table would say, “I am leaving my body now,” when he touched this area with an electric probe. Several reported saying, “I’m half in and half out.”

The area he was “mapping” was the Sylvian fissure, an area in the right temporal lobe located just above the right ear. When he electrically stimulated the surrounding areas of the fissure, patients frequently had the experience of “seeing God,” hearing beautiful music, seeing dead friends and relatives, and even having a panoramic life review.

…Our paper was published in 1986 in the American Journal of Diseases of Children without the words “soul” or “spirit” anywhere in it.

…When my research team published its report on the anatomy of the near-death experience, we were contacted by a group of neurologists in Chile who had been studying the same thing. They had arrived at the same anatomical conclusions that we did, that near-death experiences were generated by neuron activity within the Sylvian fissure.

…They called for research that would study NDE’s in the light of visionary experiences, for example, Paul’s ecstatic visions and claims of astral travel.

…Learning that other scientists had reached the same conclusion independently told us that we had at least discovered the circuit boards of mysticism. In our hearts, some of us believed strongly that we had discovered the seat of the soul.
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Hitler went after artists and intellectuals first, I think. I was forced to study dry left-brain stuff and, really, not permitted to explore other things for very long.

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From “A Nation Betrayed: The Chilling True Story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on Our Children and Other Innocent People” by Carol Rutz (Fidelity Publishing, P.O. Box 365, Grass Lake, MI, 49240-0365, 2001, ISBN# 0-9710102-0-X).

Pgs. 60-65:

The memories of Dr. Penfield’s experiments on me begin with my arrival in Canada aboard a plane met by Royal Canadian Mounted Police (137).***** There was a red carpet out for the dignitaries aboard this plane. Before we landed I was given a shot and smuggled into the country in a box. I was taken to Braehead on McGill’s campus. I had reoccurring dreams of this place for the next 30 years…

… In one of the experiments I was forced to lie on a table with my head immobilized. It didn’t hurt, it was just very snug, and when I struggled I found I couldn’t move a muscle of my head.

Dr. Penfield said, “Sterilize the sight.”

Then he said something about the corpus callosum being malleable. He inserted an electrode into the sleeve guides that were already imbedded in my head before I got to Canada. They were invented by John Lilly and used on animals while he worked for the National Institute of Health (NIH).

…I was awake while Dr. Penfield probed my brain and someone in the room recorded what was being said. Penfield said that my brain was like a tape recorder and he just needed to take me back in time. He did this by touching different spots of my brain. They kept recording the memories induced from images in my past, and later Sidney Gottlieb of the CIA used them for future programming sessions.

…Larry Squire describes Penfield’s work,

Because the brain contains no pain receptors, patients received only a local anesthetic, and remained fully conscious during surgery. Electrical stimulation of the cortical surface sometimes induced images which patients described as coherent perceptions or experiences … In Penfield’s view, the experiences that were elicited by stimulation reproduced the stream of consciousness from a previous episode of past life: The stimulating electrode drew the reproduction from its place of storage, much as if a tape recorder were switched on at some arbitrary position…(149)

…After surgery I walked down a long hallway with Dr. Penfield holding my hand. He was talking to another man and he sounded like he was giving a sermon.

Penfield said, “We only have 10 days to get this done. She has above average intelligence but below average ability to travel the time continuum.”(xli)

He acted as if I were not even there. Penfield continued,

“Lilly didn’t know what he had.(150) He didn’t take it far enough. He had the means to explore the great beyond. I have the Killer (referring to my Psychic Assassin alter) and the Innocence here in the same body. I know I can find the doorway to the soul, if given enough time and enough brains to experiment on.”

In Something Hidden, A Biography of Wilder Penfield by H. Jefferson Lewis, he quotes Penfield as reasoning, “I am a scientist, and I believe in the soul, therefore there must be a scientific theory to account for the soul. That was the basis in faith of the centrencephalicsystem, the ‘switchboard’ in the brain. Here, if anywhere spirit met flesh and the two were joined.” (151)


***** see book for sources

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(From: “Mind Control” by Harry V. Martin and David Caul) (italics mine)
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon8.html


...When the OSS was disbanded after the war, Captain White continued to administer behavior modifying drugs. In 1947, the CIA replaced the OSS. White's service record indicates that he worked with the OSS, and by 1954 he was a high ranking Federal Narcotics Bureau officer who had been loaned to the CIA on a part-time basis.

...Upon leaving government service in 1966, Captain White wrote a startling letter to his superior. In the letter to Dr. Gottlieb, Captain White reminisced about his work in the safehouses with LSD. His comments were frightening."I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun," White wrote. "Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the all-highest?"


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43. yep, Bush and his lackeys have been trying to probe our brains...
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44. Looks like they will just Goss over it......N/T
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