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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:53 PM
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Michael Ventura: "The most pivotal election since Lincoln"
From the latest Austin Chronicle:

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The question of identity rides on another question: Why, in spite of a disastrous economic and foreign policy record, does George W. Bush appeal deeply to nearly half our population – people largely as well-meaning and desirous of peace as the other half?

The answer is: Bush feigns certainty. It is his entire appeal. That is why he cannot admit a mistake, even when reversing policy (as he's often done). He presents himself as a man who never questions, never doubts – a man for whom the sea change of the Sixties, already evident to Stirling Silliphant by 1962, never happened. As Steve Erickson has written, Bush wants to repeal not only the Sixties but the Enlightenment. Science must be wrong if it posits evolution and global warming – for evolution means that the Creation is never finished, is never complete, is never finally decided, is never certain; and global warming means that Nature has a kind of will that may be at odds with humanity's will, with Bush's will. The tempestuous 21st century must bend to his will, at any cost – he will walk upon its waters and calm the storm with a word. That grandiose and pathetic fantasy is his true election promise.

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It is appealing precisely because it is an attack upon reality. That's why proofs of the facts have little impact on Bush devotees. For it is these very facts that they want denied, attacked, and destroyed. Many are poorly educated, without the skills or sensibilities for success in the 21st century; many others, affluent and educated, cannot bear the truth stated so clearly by Silliphant four decades ago, that what is good for a man's business may be wrong for his country and what is good for his country may be wrong for the world – for they cannot bear the consequences of admitting that their good comes at the expense of another's harm. And many are threatened to their core by what science uncovers every new day. Underneath it all, Bush promises success to the ignorant, conviction to the confused, and innocence to the affluent.

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Which means that in this election no less than the identity of the United States of America – as a force, as a symbol, and as a place to live – is at stake. If Bush wins, the power of the United States will be committed to the delusional. There is no freedom in delusion, and for that reason, more than for any machinations of power, America's freedoms will erode and die. As our Founders knew, freedom requires a passionate commitment to the search for truth – knowing always that each truth opens up new questions that make a further search necessary. So they created that most flexible of documents, the Constitution, building into it safeguards against any one faction's truth becoming hard and fast and dominating. But delusion cannot tolerate checks and balances. Thus the Constitution itself becomes the enemy of Bush and his devotees.

The basic issue is: Can America, finally, grow up? Can America cease its adolescent insistence on a purity that never was and cannot be? Can America face a murky reality in which choices are always double-edged and the good always brings with it a bit of bad, the bad a bit of good? Or will we, as a people, try to walk on water – and, even as we sink and drown, vagrants amidst the plenty, gurgle the conviction that we were right all along?

Kerry, however flawed, tries to face a real world. Bush (like Nader) tries to make reality warp to his delusions. This election will be decided on a question of identity: Will we, as a nation, choose the consistency of delusion? Or are there enough of us willing to face the irrationality of the real?

more at: http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-10-15/cols_ventura.html
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:07 PM
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1. Basically...no, we can't...or rather, won't.
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 04:16 PM by indigobusiness
The basic issue is: Can America, finally, grow up? Can America cease its adolescent insistence on a purity that never was and cannot be? Can America face a murky reality in which choices are always double-edged and the good always brings with it a bit of bad, the bad a bit of good? Or will we, as a people, try to walk on water – and, even as we sink and drown, vagrants amidst the plenty, gurgle the conviction that we were right all along?


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Kudos to Michael Ventura for putting things in perspective in his inimitable way.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:11 PM
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2. right -- that is the basic issue
and the delusions will only get us so far -- "Mother Nature Bats Last," as the saying goes.

And she's at the plate now...
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:17 PM
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3. I'm not banking on
extra innings.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:22 PM
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4. no -- it will be
"a whole new ballgame" then...
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:03 PM
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7. I'm afraid
the season will be over.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:21 PM
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8. well, maybe.
But baseball is about hope, if nothing else, even in dire circumstances.

Winter ball, anyone?
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:24 PM
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9. Nuclear-winter ball
perhaps.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:41 PM
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10. you're just full of good cheer...
...this afternoon...
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:03 PM
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11. Just running the string...
it is what it is.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:18 PM
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14. or "will be what it will be"
...which we don't exactly know, yet. Thus, like baseball, still some room for something unexpected -- in a good way -- in late innings...
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:28 PM
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15. That's fatalism...different from existentialism
don't you know anything about baseball?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:36 PM
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17. well, a real baseball fan...
...knows that a metaphoric case can be made for both fatalism (i.e. the Red Sox) and existentialism (i.e., the last two Red Sox games...)
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:03 PM
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18. But, they are still different
and that's the final out.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:22 PM
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5. And there are many similarities between Kerry and Lincoln
including intellect, lawyer, war veteran, height, deeply divided country. Hopefully, Kerry will succeed in ending the war and binding up the nation's wounds.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:30 PM
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6. on the other hand, the South...
...still hasn't gotten over the Civil War!
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:19 PM
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12. Not only that...
But Lincoln's secretary was named Kerry, and Kerry's secretary is named Lincoln!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:50 PM
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13. This was a good article,



"for they cannot bear the consequences of admitting that their good comes at the expense of another's harm. And many are threatened to their core by what science uncovers every new day. Underneath it all, Bush promises success to the ignorant, conviction to the confused, and innocence to the affluent."

very important words



If this image from the articl didn't come up from
the article I need help
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:32 PM
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16. So gutwrenchingly true.
The denial of the fact that unsustainable exploitation enabled the ostentatious life style of the fatted class...that is the American nightmare.

Can't last.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:40 AM
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19. very good article.
Thanks!

Though I must admit I thought the link was bad when it started out with Route 66 reminiscences. :)

In reference to all the baseball enthusiasts in this thread, I will say a Kerry win gets us to extra innings, a Bush* win is game over.

I really don't know if Bush* supporters will really get the four more years they keep chanting about. They seem to think they can disregard world opinion, but apparently overlook the fact that the world is funding our monstrous debt to the tune of over a billion dollars per day. The world won't get to vote in the elections, but like corporations, their mney will speak loudly in response to the outcome.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:12 AM
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20. good points all around...
...about extra innings, and the "four more years" not being nearly as consequence-free for the Bushbots should their Thief-in-general get back in...

As for "Route 66" -- I'm ready to see some old episodes now!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:23 PM
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21. I can get more cosmic
and have before...

Mankind has advanced to a point where we simply cannot survive as we are in a world that we have made, an unstoppable progress of evolution. Unfortunately for conservative values- and homo sapiens as we know it-it appears this is a natural and logical momentum- not a deviant hubristic self-destruction at work.

Reason working upon itself, seeking "higher" goals, or "perfection" or a "better world". The New Testament has a humbler terminology "ear has not seen nor ear heard" nor is this corruptible human state going to inherit the kingdom without transformation- rapture or no rapture.

At any event the incoherent instinct of the doomed is instinctively felt as fear by those most lacking in moral or rational sense. Their easy avenues to power over superior minds and technology must close, will close, or will only be the ultimate destruction of all of us, a planetary abortion, a retreat and participation in death to avoid the future.

In Mark Twain's "Letters to the Earth" he jeers at the image of the common righteous hypocrite thinking heaven would be a great place for a lifetime broken record of delusion over depth.

Since I mused about the inevitable if somewhat far off effect of genetic engineering, Stephen Hawking also chimed in(and using the same safe time frame I I might brag a bit) and said human beings will change the race in the next millennium. No angels, no Armageddon, no Rapture, no Judgment day before homo sapiens refashions itself at least into a morally stable, more intelligent, less defect ridden entity. Or it will flame out- hardly a glorious achievement of Creation as it seems in its natural(Divine?) progression. Until then we survive, we finish the battles over our worst selves, score victories for peace, reason, cures for mental and social ills, earn our right to CHOOSE our destiny hopefully without more useless carnage.

I am obsolete as far as the future is concerned. So is everyone. And it is not a starry eyed wonderful exactitude that is on the horizon. It simply is unknown, very unknown, much like a caveman trying to imagine a modern city. This is quite a shock from the informed conjectures of futurists since the Enlightenment. For a few hundred years we have been comfortably with permutations of the thew future based on scientific knowledge. Now another door, still locked, is plunked right down in front of us.

Nor should one assume any longer that the retrogrades don't understand the threat. The central drama revolving around themselves simply might
not exist- unless they steal and fill the future. Then in the darkest way- it would seal God's Plan selfishly around themselves. Night fall, mountains cover us. The stark irony is the starkest lie, their concern of abortion masks the greatest abortion of all- a denial of nature itself. Becoming the army of Armageddon- but whose? certainly not God's- whether God exists or not.
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