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sugarman Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:10 PM
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Scary article about exit polls....
From Dick Morris no less....

This is the most Orwellian bullshit that I've seen.

Read and comment...


Those faulty exit polls were sabotage

http://www.thehill.com/morris/110404.aspx

By now it is well-known and a part of the 2004 election lore how the exit polls by the major television networks were wrong.

Likely this faux pas will assume its place among wartime stories alongside the mistaken calls on Florida’s vote for one side and then for the other in the 2000 election. But the inaccuracies of the media’s polling deserve more scrutiny and investigation.

Exit polls are almost never wrong. They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state.

So reliable are the surveys that actually tap voters as they leave the polling places that they are used as guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries. When I worked on Vicente Fox’s campaign in Mexico, for example, I was so fearful that the governing PRI would steal the election that I had the campaign commission two U.S. firms to conduct exit polls to be released immediately after the polls closed to foreclose the possibility of finagling with the returns. When the polls announced a seven-point Fox victory, mobs thronged the streets in a joyous celebration within minutes that made fraud in the actual counting impossible.

But this Tuesday, the networks did get the exit polls wrong. Not just some of them. They got all of the Bush states wrong. So, according to ABC-TV’s exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points.

To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here.

The mistaken exit polls infiltrated all three networks and the cable news outlets and had a chilling effect on the coverage of election night.

While all anchors refrained from announcing the exit-poll results, it was clear from the context of their comments that they expected Kerry to win and wondered if Bush could hold any key state.

Indeed, one network hesitated to call Mississippi for Bush because of the uncertainty injected by the bogus exit polls. Dark minds will suspect that these polls were deliberately manipulated to dampen Bush turnout in the Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones by conveying the impression that the president’s candidacy was a lost cause.

The exit pollsters plead that they oversampled women and that this led to their mistakes. But the very first thing a pollster does is weight or quota for gender. Once the female vote reaches 52 percent of the sample, one either refuses additional female respondents or weights down the ones one subsequently counted.

This is, dear Watson, elementary.

Next to the forged documents that sent CBS on a jihad against Bush’s National Guard service and the planned “60 Minutes” ambush over the so-called missing explosives two days before the polls opened, the possibility of biased exit polling, deliberately manipulated to try to chill the Bush turnout, must be seriously considered.

At the very least, the exit pollsters should have to explain, in public, how they were so wrong. Since their polls, if biased or cooked, represented an attempt to use the public airwaves to reduce voter turnout, they should have to explain their errors in a very public and perhaps official forum.

This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play.

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Morris is the author of Rewriting History, a rebuttal of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) memoir, Living History.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:12 PM
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1. It's just Dick.
Sucking same. Looking to make some friends.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:12 PM
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2. Dick Morris has zero credibility
I am sorry to see him quoted on DU.


s_m

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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:18 PM
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8. never mind.... rethought the article
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 10:20 PM by flowomo
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:15 PM
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3. So, with a repuke controlled house and senate, nothing will be
done, even if it shows that Rove himself modified
the records in the inadutiable voting machines.
This race is history, fuck those that voted for
awol. They get what they deserve. I don't even
care how many die in Iraq any more, or how many more jobs are lost,
or people whining about health care. This country fucked itself.
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sugarman Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:15 PM
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4. Dick admits something's wrong...
Dick's is admitting that something is wrong with the raw totals. Now, he's turning the tables on the Dems...

This is the new way Bush will intidimate the media.

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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:22 PM
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10. Exactly -- but it's incredibly transparent
He really believes that the exit pollers conspired to dampen the Bush vote? LOL. Sounds like a pretty stupid plan.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:30 PM
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12. Only if the exit pollers were playing the futures market, it went from
Bush 58 to kerry 70 in a few hours. Could make a lot of money that way.
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:58 AM
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23. That's what I was thinking, too
The polls were skewed so someone could make some money somewhere.

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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:16 PM
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5. Morris knows better
The truth is that the exit polls were accurate, the announced results were not. This is nothing more than an craven attempt to explain away a discrepancy that is raising eyebrows. He is scruting the inscrutable.

He is also comepletely and unabashedly full of shit.
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:16 PM
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6. Exit polls were right - what went wrong was
MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD BY THE REPUGS
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neohippie Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:17 PM
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7. wtf?
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 10:19 PM by neohippie
Why isn't the foul play suspected against the vote count? This whole election reminds me of the John Carpenter movie "They Live"

Only it's the Democrats with those glasses that let them see what is really going on.
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sugarman Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:20 PM
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9. Dick's is already...
...trying to isolate Republicans from the coming realization that the election was stolen...They are getting ahead of the curve. They are spinning before we are able to tell the truth...No credible Dem is willing to say that the exit polls show some discrepency because if they do they will written off as a crazy liberal....
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:24 PM
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11. I'd love it if the exit polling firms come forward
and tell us what we already know, they were correct.

Dick and his wild-eyed conspiracy theories can suck it.
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:58 AM
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22. Link for the National Election pool FAQ
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:45 PM
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13. Maybe the exit polls were


Ahhh...bullshit. Maybe they just made up numbers. I didn't see anyone asking me who I voted for at my polling place?

So is this what we are in store for over the next 4 years? More bitching about election fraud? And then in 4 years we can run another candidate that says, "I am going to do what that guy (the Republican) does, but I'll just do it better and I have a plan."

The Democratic Party has been nuetered. It can't (or wont) stand up to the outrageous abuses, the exploitation, the government corruption, the greed, the destruction of any and everything for a buck...the waste, the selfishness.

Wonder how many of those people who didn't bother to vote would be spurred on by a real vision of a greater course for humanity. I'm sick of "we need better health care" cliches'....Its time to say this world is fucked up...and we should not be ruled by greed and selfishness. We should GO AFTER the corporate oligarchs, the monopolists and the profiteers. We should expose the military-industrial complex as a sinister cabel and be damned if they think we don't support the troops.

We should challenge the "morals" of war, of capital punishment, of leaving millions in the cold dark streets, of turning everything and anything into a commodity to be sacrificed on the alter of corporate profits.

The Democratic Party will never speak to those issues again, because it is now playing by Republican rules...Rules that say it can no longer speak to its core or lest it be left behind and one party rule wins.

Oh sure...lets talk about the conspiracy that the election was stolen.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:58 PM
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14. I don't see how exit polls can be remotely accurate
People volunteer to be interviewed. I suspect a lot of Bush voters didn't want to be interviewed about it.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:00 AM
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15. Just strange
That he completely ignores the opposite case. The votes were rigged.
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drb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:02 AM
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16. This is called a "pre-emptive lie" and it just proves that...
...Dick Morris is a rotten cocksucker. Not that everyone who does that is rotten - he sucks rotten cocks.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:33 AM
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18. that's exactly it. His audacity amazes me
okay, nothing amazes me anymore to be honest.

his audacity is grotesquely transparent.

Gee, Dick, how about some more LOGICAL reasons why the exit polls were wrong?

Hmmmmmmm, let's see ......... why would exit polls be wrong?

BECAUSE THE VOTES WERE COUNTED WRONG.

DUH!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:19 AM
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17. They are once again taking the evidence of their guilt and turning it
inside out in order to beat back the truth. And this seems to work every time. That's what they did with Bush's weak/nonexistant war record, that's what they are doing here. Head it off at the pass.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:43 AM
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19. Dark minds indeed...
I imagine Mr. Morris to be busily rewriting history as we speak. Perhaps he will be invited to head the next No Child Left Behind push, dumbing down and "correcting" textbooks.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:51 AM
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20. I totally agree with him in his closing statement:
"This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."

No shit, Sherlock
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:56 AM
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21. polling places were selected as a stratified probability sample of state
What does that mean?

http://www.exit-poll.net/faq.html

"How do you select sample precincts?

"The polling places were selected as a stratified probability sample of each state. The purpose of stratification is to group together precincts with similar vote characteristics. A recent past election was used to identify all the precincts as they existed for that election. The total vote in each precinct and the partisan division of the vote from this past race are used for the stratification. In addition, counties are used for stratifying the precincts. The total vote also is used to determine the probability of selection. Each voter in a state has approximately the same chance of being selected in the sample."

So the sample wasn't a true random sample?

Uh oh.



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24. Locking as duplicate and for excessive excerpt length.
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