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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:45 PM
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Crisis towers over the dollar
When analyzing such matters as the vulnerability of the US economy and the chances of its collapse, it is vital to avoid the two extremes of "calamity howling" on one hand and investing blind faith in the status quo on the other. Unforeseen and unexpected attack-induced collapses of grand proportions can and do occur. The sudden collapse of both towers of New York's World Trade Center, for example, took everyone by surprise - who could have foreseen that the two towers, which survived the massive lateral impact of two huge planes, would, only minutes later, collapse vertically upon themselves, their own massive weight ensuring their demise?

Fundamental vulnerabilities exist in the US economy too. But there also exists a widespread consensus that there is little real chance of a collapse, no matter what the attack might be. Even most contrarian experts dismiss the possibility of an actual collapse. They generally speak only of a prolonged "bear" period for the economy, not a collapse. The towers also enjoyed such widespread confidence before September 11. The previous targeting of the towers in 1993 and their survival only reinforced this misplaced confidence.

President Vladimir Putin has stated both publicly and privately that invoicing Russia's crude-oil and gas exports to the European Union in euros instead of in dollars makes very good sense for both Russia and the EU. Putin is known to have very close relations with "old Europe", primarily Germany and France. His statements and those of German and French leaders have even on occasion drawn attention to the fact that US global dominance fundamentally rests on the fact that the dollar is the international currency, and that if an exit from the dollar were to occur in the sphere of global petro-transactions, the effect would be seriously to undermine that global dominance. Furthermore, a number of oil-exporting countries have already gone on public record as to their preference to make an exit from petro-dollars in favor of petro-euros. They have indicated that if Russia begins such a move to petro-euros, they will rapidly follow Russia's lead. The net effect would be a rapid international abandonment of the dollar as the international currency, which would in turn "bring down the towers" of the heavily debt-ridden US economy.

If Russia is perhaps positioning itself to make even a partial exit from the dollar in the pricing of its petro-transactions, then the Asian and other economies don't want to risk being left out in the cold, unprepared, seeing the value of their own huge dollar reserves undermined by a steep or chaotic decline in the value of the dollar. They cannot afford to ignore Russia's moves. Hence as Russia moves to decrease the percentage of its own holdings of dollars, so are the big Asian economies, as well as many other economies around the globe. No one wants to get burned in the event Russia moves to the euro. Additionally, as the dollar continues to weaken and crude oil continues to rise in price, having the dollar as the preferred international currency for petro-transactions will become more of a liability, especially for the big Asian economies, which are heavy importers of crude oil. This fact will tend to further undermine Asian, as well as the rest of international support for the dollar.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/FK25Dj03.html
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:52 PM
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1. Maybe its better that Bush be around when the ship sinks.
Why let Kerry take the blame for Bush's mistakes!
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:20 PM
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4. Didn't you hear the news? Bush does not make mistakes.
If there is a collapse you will hear that 90% of the fault goes to Clinton and 10% to his penis, that the inevitable would have just occurred sooner under a Kerry Presidency. That the imperial Chimp, now living in Argentina, staved off our demise for as long as possible.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:02 PM
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2. so if we go bankrupt, won't the rest of the world's economies fail?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 06:02 PM by AZDemDist6
aren't we still the largest consumers of the exports of the Asian and Russian markets?

and what about our food production? if we go under, does the world starve if we can't afford to grown the wheat, soy and rice we export worldwide?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:12 PM
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3. You know the old saying...when the United States sneezes
the whole world catches cold.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:24 PM
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5. Maybe not this time
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:20 PM
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8. This time also. They all get it.
The question is who emerges on the top of the heap after the dust clears. Some are making plans before the shit storm.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:45 PM
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7. How can we fail when we have JESUS????????
And right now the million moron member Presidential Prayer Team is praying their collective asses off for divine intervention!
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:54 PM
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9. Collapse of the Amercan economy
would certainly have a negative impact on the world economy, because -- as you pointed out -- we are the world's beggest market for other nations' exports.

However, just because the consequences would be dire and everyone knows it would be, doesn't mean it won't happen. If the dollar is increasingly perceived to be a bad investment, all it takes is the beginning of a shift toward the euro to start a run -- nobody wants to be left holding a bag of worthless currency. It must also be noted the arrogance of the Bush administration has made it much less likely that other nations would take risks to protect us.

The Great depression began 75 years ago, within the memory of many still alive today. The harsh reality is that it could happen again, and there is more reason now to think it will happen in the foreseeable future than there was in the roaring 20's. Agriculture would suffer again like it did then, with collapsing prices and farmers unable to meet their expenses. Back then the dust bowl heaped environmental catastrophe on top of their woes -- who knows what climate change from global warming has in store?

Fortunately for us, the neocons are working to prevent the world from abandoning the dollar in favor of the euro. It's just a question of whether Pax Americana can be achieved before it's too late. We need to stop being obstructionists and get behind president Cheney's efforts on behalf of us all .... (sarcasm)
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:26 PM
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11. When this comes ** will be dog meat.
Just think maybe another 25 years with no freepers.

It will come I only hope the authors are sitting in the Whitehouse when it comes.


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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:18 PM
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6. Excellent Article! - thanks for posting
This does a very good job of laying out in easy-to-understand-terms all the factors impinging on the dollar.

The only unanswerables are how hard and how fast will the dollar, and the US economy fall, and how badly will it impact the rest of the world.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:45 PM
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10. kick
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