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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:28 AM
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More on the buying of electoral fraud by the Bush campaign: $29.6m proof
More on the buying of electoral fraud by the Bush campaign

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer


November 26, 2004—Additional information on the buying of vote riggers with Saudi and former Enron funds has been obtained. The epicenter for the vote rigging operation is Dallas, Texas, and the operation may involve retired FBI agents who used a well-established "good ole boy" network to arrange for access to polling precincts by electronic voting machine technicians who took advantage of various November 2 security "lockdowns" to illegally alter the tabulation of votes in favor of Bush. Some of the retired agents may have used courtesy credentials issued upon retirement to fool unsuspecting polling place workers.

The cost of the operation was estimated at $29 million with the money sent via a circuitous network of offshore trust companies and shell activities. This reporter has obtained a copy of a bank check for $29,600,000 that was allegedly sent to cover the cost of the Texas-based vote rigging operation. The check is dated October 22, 2004, and was made payable to "Five Star Investment Ltd.," a trust said to have long connections to Saudi-funded operations in Texas and around the world. The payer is identified as "Equity Financial Trust," a Houston-based "brass plate" and post office box entity tied to offshore Cook Islands "folding tent" accounts used to hide away profits amassed by the former Enron as well as Saudi financiers.

On October 6, 2004, some two weeks before Equity Financial Trust transferred the money to Five Star Investment Ltd., the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions for Canada listed Equity Financial Trust, along with Bankers Financial and Security Trust, Falcon Financial and Trust, and Unity Virtual Trust Group as "unauthorized financial institutions." In fact, the check for $29.6 million, which is marked "Not to exceed fifty million dollars," is drawn on the Laurentian Bank of Canada's Toronto branch. Its serial number is 317675450 3 and the bank number is 23-97/1020. The bank instrument is issued by Integrated Payment Systems, Inc. of Englewood, Colorado, and Bank One, NA, Denver, Colorado.

It is noteworthy that a number of companies operated by past Bush campaign contributor Pierre Falcone, under criminal investigation in France for weapons smuggling in Angola, are called "Falcon." Several non-governmental organizations, including Global Witness, have tied Falcone to questionable Halliburton activities when Vice President Dick Cheney headed the firm.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112604Madsen/112604madsen.html

I believe it, after all we've seen Bush and Cheney do. No wonder Ken Lay is getting such a free ride!

We need to see the check now and have one of these people talk now before it is too late!



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Doohickie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:31 AM
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1. I'll believe it when it hits Faux News
In the meantime, such discoveries are entirely within what I hope and expect the Kerry campaign will disclose in the next couple of weeks.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:47 AM
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2. Here is the Candian alert on Equity Financial
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 11:04 AM by Dems Will Win
http://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/eng/documents/notices/docs/Warning_Notice_55_e.pdf

The Canadians are now involved.

E-mail the CBC!



Thank you.
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:55 AM
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4. With a simple google search you just proved this whole
Story to be a bunch of BS. The two companies Equity financial trust and Falcone something or another are ON THE Canadian WATCHLIST AS FRAUDULENT INSTITUTIONS. These aren't companies that are going to have anymoney, these are Nigerian SCAMS trying to get money out of you. This has nothing to do with the US Presidency. These companies are just good sounding names that are their to fool people into sending their money.

Can this stupid thread, it's just that nothing.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:00 AM
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5. Sorry, you missed this line of the article:
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 11:01 AM by Dems Will Win
"In fact, the check for $29.6 million, which is marked "Not to exceed fifty million dollars," is drawn on the Laurentian Bank of Canada's Toronto branch."

The Laurentian Bank does have money in its vaults. Lots of it!

http://www.laurentianbank.com/en/02_consumers/08_gestion_privee/01_service/_fr.htm

Just call the Toll Free number and they can arrange this for you too!
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shuffnew Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:17 PM
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24. hmmm.... interesting...
Perhaps the story is true and not a hoax?
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:04 PM
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29. No, I believe that bank may have money, but
Quoting from the article:"On October 6, 2004, some two weeks before Equity Financial Trust transferred the money to Five Star Investment Ltd., the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions for Canada listed Equity Financial Trust, along with Bankers Financial and Security Trust, Falcon Financial and Trust, and Unity Virtual Trust Group as "unauthorized financial institutions." "

Does Equity Financial Trust, or Falcon Financial and Trust have any money to be the Payers? Both of these are on your Canada watch list as fraud organizations.

Really, I'm not just throwing cold water. I've done more with international and private banking than I care to explain. 90% of what you hear is totally false and the other 10% is suspect. The whole point of banks in the Cook Islands, Isle of Mann, etc is that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. If you think that they innocently made a 29 million dollar transaction to STEAL THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!! You have to question the sanity of that statement.

I won't argue further. Enjoy this line of reasoning if it tickles your fancy.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:10 AM
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8. Here is an email:
cbcinput@cbc.ca
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:43 PM
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26. story e-mailed?
Has the story gone to the CBC?
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shuffnew Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:14 PM
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23. Yes, but...
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 01:15 PM by shuffnew
Where's the details about how and why Equity Financial is listed on this alert? Where is the factual source information relayed by Wayne Madsen as it relates to this Equity Financial being placed on the Canadian alert list? Does the Candian list have any place that provides details on the scam that put these institutions on the alert list?

In the U.S. there are hoax lists (if something like this were a hoax scam)... does Canada equate thier list to a hoax list or does it have material to backup the real reasons an institution is placed on the alert list (link you provided).

There's a big difference between true alerts and hoax alerts. Which is it (URL you provided)?
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:52 AM
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3. Please don't embarrass us with this crap!!!
This man couldn't get a copy of my last mortgage check from my bank without my signature authrorization. Yet, he wants us to believe that he has obtained a copy of a draft cashed for 29 million dollar, which was an open endorsement for 50 million dollars cashed against accounts that were meant as a shell game to HIDE MONEY!!!

If this took place, do any of you REALLY believe that we would be able to obtain a copy of the single check for 29 million dollars that paid for it? If this really took place, do you think shrub and company are so incompetent that they would have ONE check paying for it, and one that anyone could get their hands on?

Where are these technicians who were not paid? Screw the check, show me the conspirators. Considering what we obviously already know about this conspiracy the technicians should be the easy part. Bring them out, show what and how they did, and POW, it's over. Don't fill our heads and hearts with bullshit stories about checks and trusts that go bump in the night.

This either happened or it didn't, if the technicians are talking lets talk to them. Otherwise can this crap.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:04 AM
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7. I don't think we should be "Roved" into not looking
at these sort of things until they are proved incorrect. Madsen and Online Journal have enough credibility. This is the second day of his reporting this.

It's not like Dems Will Win on DU is Dan Rather on the CBS News. That's what the blogosphere is here for!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:18 PM
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16. Golly...you're not telling other DUers to SHUT UP! are you?
That's not very nice. If you don't like the idea of researching voter fraud there are many options open for you. One of them is not reading threads that disturb or upset you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:40 PM
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:10 PM
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30. I'm amazed that DU is an unfriendly place for anyone
who doesn't just go along with the crowd like a sheep. I have been supportive in a number of posts. I'm all over the idea of voter fraud, but I have a right to politely comment when I see something that stinks, don't I?

Is everyone's reaction to adverse opinions on this board to call the adverse person a troll?

I thought our party was the party of opinion? I thought we are the ones who don't sensor the free expression of others.

I'm not telling anyone to be quiet, but as a member of this board, I have every right to bring my personal experience in law and international finance to bear and tell the world when I see something that stinks. If you don't agree with me that's fine, but please, disagree with me and bring some facts.

One poster talks about the Equity Financial whatever, the very next poster shows a watch list from the Canadian government that has that group listed as a fraudulent organization. I just don't want us chasing our tails. Let's chase what is real.

If there are technicians who participated in the fraud then they should bring them out. Don't give me a check and an unverifiable account number from a private bank and act like that proves something. I'm sorry if you don't agree, that is what makes the world go round.
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:58 PM
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28. Research has nothing to do with it.......
I'm all for researching, and I'm not telling anyone to be quiet, but this conspiracy theory is crap. If there are technicians then bring them out. If there aren't technicians, believe me, as a guy who works with offshore banking and trusts, you aren't going to crack into a trust like this and get copies of checks to show the world. It isn't that simple, and I don't like being fed a line.

Bring on the techinicians, I'm all for that.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:01 AM
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6. Wow! I live in Englewood...
I'll run down the street and ask them. Hey! Did you cash a check for the BFEE????
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:10 AM
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9. Could you do that?
Thanks!
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:30 AM
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11. I'm all over it.....
first thing Monday morning..I can see the headline now, "Home town resident called hero for exposing election fraud". 3yrs. 11 months later elected president of the United states. The first to be elected from the ranks of the average working man. Beholden to no one, special interest free. First day in office handed down indictments for treason, against the whole Bush administration. A guy can dream can't he???
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:35 AM
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12. I'd vote for you!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:26 PM
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17. Take a witness with you
Always a good idea to have someone along who can verify any involvement. Perhaps that person could also have a camera and/or tape recorder...?

Is it legal in your state to tape any conversations you may have? Here in AZ, one can tape anything as long as one of the individuals knows the conversation is being taped...pretty broad law regarding taping of conversations.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:29 AM
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10. Here are the banks in the Cook Islands:
http://www.ck/offshore.htm

Maybe you could ask them as well?
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:51 AM
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14. Whistling the theme song to...
"Get Smart" at this moment.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:39 AM
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13. If anyone told me about Watergate and Iran-Contra, I'd be skeptical, but
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 11:41 AM by EndElectoral
they HAPPENED!

Don't put anything past these guys! No stone should be left unturned no matter how kooky it sounds.

btw... CBS was brought down because they didn't have proof, but DON'T FORGET what the Secretary said on 60 minutes. This wasn't the letter, BUT she had seen letters like this, and affirmed the general allegation against Bush.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:13 PM
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15. Hey Truman...
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 12:24 PM by berner59
Why is this crap?? This is a reporter who worked for the NSA... This is an administration who probably had their hand in the 2000 election and had 4 yrs to work on this one...

I say let this progress and see what happens...remember "follow the money" from Deep Throat...fraud doesn't happen without money...

Here's Madsen's bio - this guy looks legit to me...

http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/madsen.html
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:13 PM
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31. I will admit he looks credible....
I'm just saying what he says does not have any ring of truth to it. He keeps talking about these technicians that weren't paid. If you were Rove, would you spend 29 million to steal the election and then stiff the guys who could blow your cover for a couple hundred thousand dollars???????

I can't get a copy of any check from your bank account. Do you think this guy was given a check for 29million from the super secret off shore account of the BCEEE?

This just doesn't make any sense and it makes us look bad when it detracts from the real arguments we have.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:43 PM
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19. This is a horseshit "investigative report"
So we have a ton of details about a check written by one investment company to another. Big fucking deal.

There are ABSOLUTELY NO DETAILS WHATSOEVER in support of the wild allegations he makes about vote fraud.

This is the kind of wild eyed nonsense that makes us look like idiots to reasonable people. And rightfully so.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:55 PM
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21. So let somebody else chase it
And don't worry about it. There are lots of hands doing the work of uncovering the obvious fraud. If this story leads nowhere, others will.

Everything's cool.
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:15 PM
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32. Careful Merlin.... Those keepers of the conspiratorial truth
will be labeling you a freeper and wanting to tombstone you because you aren't buying into every kookie story that comes down the pike. Look at the posts about me... all I did was point out that two of the organizations in thei "conspiracy" are on the Canadian fraud list as Nigerian banking fraud company's. Now I'm Carlos! Whoever that is.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 06:04 PM
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34. Let's both fight the good fight, Truman, and let the freaking chips fall..
wherever the hell they want to.

I think the problem is that over the last 6 months we've literally had an infusion of 40,000 newbies and a ton of them haven't learned to think clearly yet.

Somebody's got to keep our party on the straight and narrow. Truth is all that separates us from the fucking barbarians we oppose.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:54 PM
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20. Someone should e-mail Wayne Madsen this.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:58 PM
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22. It sounds like Marsden has a Deep Throat ready to close in
On Bush!!! How Long cam Bush keep the strangle on the News Media and the people!!!
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:28 PM
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25. Related article
This is apparently related: http://www.madcowprod.com/11242004.html
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shuffnew Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:48 PM
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27. Keith O. finds little credibility in the reporting by Wayne Madsen
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

but Keith does find at least one "cringing" statement..
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:22 PM
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33. OMG KOlbermann is a freeper!!!!
Did you read his comments? He is obviously trying to shut up the dissenting voices on DU by debunking the high level, very obvious, wholly provable conspracy theory promugated by this ex-NSA member of Naval intelligence.

How dare he not believe the truth! Tombstone him Tombstone him!
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:51 PM
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35. I think this whole conspiracy theory was cooked by Freepers.
This crap taints real fraud investigations. Pretty soon, everyone who tries to recount the vote is thought to be nuts. This thread is playing right into the Freepers hands.
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:19 PM
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36. very interesting
Thanks for posting.

:kick:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:46 AM
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37. This makes me very nervous
It's like everything we could ever want for Christmas. Call me skittish, but it feels like a set up.
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