Fallujah Napalmed

[LibertyorDeath]

Nov 28 2004


US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?

By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor


US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah.

News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.

And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.


more
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html

[medeak]

1. wow sort of correlates

read riverbend today

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

[LibertyorDeath]

9. That is truly sickening

America is busy breaking every Convention of Warfare.

The World is watching as America's credibility as a exporter of "Democracy" becomes Laughable.

[SmokingJacket]

2. Does anyone have any idea what kind of proof there is of this?

Because without it, Bushco will just deny deny deny and it'll disappear like every other atrocity has.

[LibertyorDeath]

3. Try here

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=5875#

[SmokingJacket]

23. Thanks for the link.

My life will be a happy one if I live to see members of this administration punished for their crimes.

Unbelievable!

[LibertyorDeath]

28. Me & You both & untold Millions of others

"My life will be a happy one if I live to see members of this administration punished for their crimes."

I'll keep a Good Thought.

[Florida_Geek]

4. Interesting this was first on aljazeera.net (I believe)

Now is hitting MSM in Britain. I am sure Fox will be telling this any time now......

[gnofg]

5. war criminal

This man is a war criminal

[lightbulb]

8. maybe not

The Sun reported that the US was the only nation not to ratify the UN treaty, so apparently it is A-OK for the US to burn folks alive. At least according to US law.

[cyberpj]

6. we've got a thread going on this - thx for updating!

And the UK source!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x88840

[LibertyorDeath]

16. Hi cyberpj Welcome to DU

Thanx for the other post.

[cyberpj]

24. Tx!

Glad I found ya'.

It was gettin' lonely out here with all my Republican neighbors and only the truth and my convictions for company!

[edbermac]

7. Just like Vietnam...bomb 'em back to the Stone Age!

I love the smell of napalm in the morning...it smells like...victory!

[KenCarson]

25. "I love the smell of lipbalm in the morning...it smells like....vanity"

that would be more appropriate for a bunch of preeners with "other priorities"

[eleonora]

10. Criminals, the both of them. n/t

[OneBlueSky]

11. isn't napalm like a jelly, rather than a gas? . . .

I admit that my recollections go back to the Vietnam era, but I seem to recall that napalm is a jelly-like substance that is aerosolized and sprayed to do its horrendous work . . .

on a related matter, I've also read (can't recall where) that the US was using white phosphorus in Fallujah . . . either in addition to or instead of napalm . . . my understanding is that the effects are pretty much the same . . .

[Florida_Geek]

13. Jello and gasoline is a simple version of it

:( :(

[LibertyorDeath]

12. More from another Report

U.S. uses napalm gas in Fallujah – Witnesses



11/28/2004 9:00:00 PM GMT
The U.S. military is secretly using banned napalm gas and other outlawed weapons against civilians in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, eyewitnesses reported.

Residents in Fallujah reported that innocent civilians have been killed by napalm attacks, a poisonous cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel which makes the human body melt.

Since the U.S. offensive started in Fallujah earlier this month, there have been reports of “melted” bodies which proves that the napalm gas had been used.

More...
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_ea...

[LibertyorDeath]

14. US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.

The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots and their commanders have confirmed that they used an upgraded version of the weapon against dug-in positions. They said napalm, which has a distinctive smell, was used because of its psychological effect on an enemy.

A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm, a terrifying mixture of jet fuel and polystyrene that sticks to skin as it burns. The US, which did not sign the treaty, is one of the few countries that makes use of the weapon. It was employed notoriously against both civilian and military targets in the Vietnam war.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=432201

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[AuntPatsy]

17. I don't recall anyone on this thread saying they hated America

and considering the attrocities that this admin. is quilty of, it is not exactly farfetched to regard this story as truth...

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[LibertyorDeath]

19. Don't take the bait just hit alert

Help them on their way to a Tombstone

[LibertyorDeath]

20. Got to Love the Mods here.

That didn't take long.

Thanx Mod(s):toast:

[medeak]

21. here's more evidence

gnn tells of soldiers throwing patients out of hospital...mentions gas

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=933

[LibertyorDeath]

22. Thank You

What really happened in the battle of Fallujah

“Doctors in Fallujah are reporting there are patients in the hospital there who were forced out by the Americans,” said Mehdi Abdulla, a 33 year-old ambulance driver at a hospital in Baghdad, “Some doctors there told me they had a major operation going, but the soldiers took the doctors away and left the patient to die.” He looks at the ground, then away to the distance.

“The American warplanes came continuously through the night and bombed everywhere in Fallujah! It did not stop even for a moment! If the American forces did not find a target to bomb, they used sound bombs just to terrorize the people and children. The city stayed in fear; I cannot give a picture of how panicked everyone was.”


He is shaking with grief and anger. “In the mornings I found Fallujah empty, as if nobody lives in it. Even poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah-they used everything-tanks, artillery, infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground. Nothing is left.”

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=933

[slackmaster]

33. Yes, "poison gas" but not specifically which kind

Sounds like BS.

[FlyByNight]

26. Is this what Bush calls winning over the locals?

This is just one big fucking disaster. Bush started an unnecessary war based completely on false pretenses/lies and 1200+ US soldiers and 100,000 Iraqis are dead.

Then prisoner abuse and torture are uncovered at Abu Ghraib - one of Saddam's most infamous prisons. Evidently, we were showing the Iraqis and the world our Western, enlightened morals.

Now this. Napalm. Echoes and nightmares of Vietnam. Simply appalling. Bush is a goddamn war criminal. I wonder if Jesus told him that napalm was OK to use?

:puke:

[LibertyorDeath]

27. Iraq is the test case if they can get away with this in Iraq

then its on to Iran, Syria, etc

[cyberpj]

29. Progressive Dems - new group sound better?

They're new but they're getting the right platform so far!

http://blog.progressivevote.org/index.php?p=121#comments

PDA policy statement on Iraq:
Filed under: Vision Dem. Party Current Politics Platform— kspidel @ 2:29 pm

A Time To Break the Democrats’ Silence on Falluja and the Escalation of the War in Iraq

As Progressive Democrats we call on our Democratic Party leadership to break the public silence on the bloodbath in Falluja. Sixteen hundred Iraqi insurgents are said to have been killed and countless others maimed, crippled or injured in a single week. Over thirty American soldiers are dead and several hundred are wounded. Over eighty major attacks have been launched on American positions in several other uprisings from Mosul to Baghdad. Despite military and administration public relations, the US-trained Iraqi forces cannot or will not stand on their own.

America is creating a slaughterhouse in the name of democratic elections. As foreigners, we are dividing Sunni from Shiite and Kurd in the name of a fragmented Iraqi unity. We are ominously alone, abandoned by fifteen of our Coalition allies – so far – and by the United Nations.

This military strike was timed to occur after the American presidential election. While the main responsibility lies with President Bush, the national Democratic Party leadership has supported and encouraged the military offensive in Falluja as well. Both parties have bloody hands.

It is time for the bipartisan collusion in this war to end. It is time for the Democratic Party to become faithful to its faithful rank-and-file through becoming the party of opposition. It is time to declare clearly that this war is a mistake. The conduct of the war is a mistake. America is squandering the lives of its soldiers, the revenues of its taxpayers, and the trust of its people for a mistake.

When will our party leaders join in asking who will be the last American to die for this mistake?

Progressive Democrats will neither wait nor be silent. We will organize locally as voices and voters for peace. We will hold our Congressional representatives accountable if they support a $75 billion blood-stained check for the Iraq war. We will point out the daily cost of the war to our deficits, our cities, health care, housing and anti-poverty programs. We will demand greater candor and respect for our combat soldiers while also honoring those troops and their families who choose to oppose the war in the tradition of the young John Kerry.

During the presidential campaign, we gave one hundred percent for a Democratic ticket that felt compelled to defend a mistake. We do not believe that the November election was a mandate to destroy Iraq while saving it nor an endorsement of the President’s management of the conflict. It is George Bush’s mistake now, and the role of all Democrats and concerned Americans is to make him end his denial, accept responsibility and take significant steps to end the American occupation and leave Iraq to the Iraqis.

[LibertyorDeath]

32. Thanx for this the Dem's are & have been Republican Light

for a long time.

Under Clinton's watch the sanctions against Iraq Maintained by the USA & Britain cost an estimated 500 thousand Iraqi death mostly children
When asked about this on CBS the Secretary of State at the time Madeline Albright said "to bad" that's just the way it is.

I can find links for this info if needed.

I think Nader is closer to the truth than most Dem's care to admit when he says the Repubs & Dem's are two heads of the same Corporate Snake.

[TexanDem]

30. Aaron Brown reporting on how "we" found chemicals there.

As I'm reading this thread in utter horror, my TV set is on Aaron Brown's news, airing a report about how many weapon stashes we've found there and the various types of chemicals they've uncovered there. Where in the Hades is the rest of this story!! If it's not pr oven, then say it's alleged, but tell us what the heck is going on over there! I can't stand this state-run media.
I remember during Kosovo, that C-Span would air the news cast out of Yugoslavia and "we" would laugh at the ridiculous propaganda that they were spewing out. How can we be such hypocrites!
My God, if Americans are doing these things, who can bring criminal charges? Who can stop this madness!

[LibertyorDeath]

31. Welcome to DU

"Who can stop this madness!"

Everyday Americans can when enough people get together & say ENOUGH
NO MORE.

[TexanDem]

37. sticking together doesn't seem to be enough

Thanks for the welcome, LibertyorDeath! But my cynicism tends to make me disagree that there is still hope that the people have any say in anything. Before we even went into Iraq, remember all the demonstrations all over the world. There were millions and millions. C-Span aired them all one day. Gosh, it was mind boggling! They were in almost every major city everywhere. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying something stupid like "Well, yeah there were X million but what's the population of the world -- Y" (whatever the numbers were). Somebody said, "Well, if you count all the babies and old people in nursing homes that couldn't get out to demonstrate!"
But it made no difference. The few who were in control did it anyway. And I doubt our whole population will take any lessons from the Ukraine any time soon. Time will tell who will win that challenge.
I did send a note to Aaron Brown, complimenting his show, but politely asking him to tell us the whole story, even if it is alleged, that we need to hear what's going on over there, reminding him that even Tony Blair had supposedly been confronted about this.

[slackmaster]

34. Phosphorus, not napalm

...Abu Sabah, said; “They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud… then small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them."

He said that pieces of these strange bombs explode into large fires that burn the skin even when water is thrown on the burns.

White phosphorus.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=5875

Napalm is used to burn down jungles. There are no jungles in Iraq.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

35. Phosphorus is bad enough

It seems as if every day, the Busheviks do something that makes me ashemd of my country.

[Pharaoh]

36. BUT AT LEAST FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH !!

marching us straight into the bowels of hell.......:nuke:

[Nancy Waterman]

38. IT IS TIME TO IMPEACH HIM!!

Iti s time to start marching to impeach this entire administration for:

lying the country into war

and war crimes, including both systematic torture and using chemical weapons.

We may never get it through the fascists that run Congress, but we could get millions to demonstrate in America, with supportive demostrations in cities around the world.

Let's begin with Washington, DC and San Francisco and go from there. We could start with a committee of those on DU who support this. I have just had it. I have been lingering in a kind of no man's land since the election, but this use of chemical weapons is the last straw.