Dean's Antiwar Stance Creates a Force to Be Reckoned With

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-outlook1sep01,1,478440.column?coll=la-home-headlines

Austin, Texas

Joseph Seringer, a mortgage company manager here, is calm, rational and well-spoken. But he's also furious at President Bush for instigating a war in Iraq that Seringer believes was based on lies and deceit. He's just as mad at Democrats in Washington who signed up for the ride.

Maybe it goes without saying that in the Democratic presidential race, Seringer would walk over broken glass for former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.

"Dean is the only one who had the guts to stand up and oppose the war in Iraq," Seringer said as he stood in the crush of a Dean fund-raiser at a stylish coffeehouse here last week. "The others were sissies; they just fell in line behind the Bush propaganda. And that war was a lie from the beginning."

If Dean wins the Democratic nomination next year, the explanation may be as simple as this: He opposed a president most Democrats detest when that president launched a war most Democrats loathe.

[Nicholas_J]

1. Deans record

Of flip flops soon to be discsused in the major media,

I have been concerned about his foreign policy stance. He's distinguished himself as the most anti-war candidate extant. But let's see how he says he would do it:

"As I've said about eight times today," he says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.
Easy to say at this late date, but imagine if we'd gone to the UN in September with a timetable, backed with a clear threat of unilateral action. I think things would have gone rather differently.

http://www.howardsmusings.com/2003/02/20/salon_on_the_campaign_trail_with_the_unbush.html

AS a matter of fact one of his flip flops was with Gwen Ifil of McNeil Lehrer, who on a telephone call with a Vermonter who asked when Dean's record was going to be investigates told them not to worry, Dr Deans entire political will soon be scrtunized by us and made available to the public.

[el_gato]

2. questionable quote

You provided this quote which is from a website that has a link to Salon and the only way you can get to the actual quoting is through a registration.

Notice how only the first part has quotation marks around it and then the rest is paraphrased.

Anyway, i don't get into all this internecine warfare.

By the way, the invasion of iraq was stupid with our without the UN.

[finecraft]

3. Ahhh, I seem to remember a few others

that were against this war from the beginning including Dennis Kucinich and Al Sharpton.

[Cha]

5. And I'm sure they have their supporters, too! It's just Dean has

appeal for more than his anti-invading Iraq policy!

[Cha]

4. A lot of People feel this way about Dean!

Dean came out strong against the Iraqi Resolution!

Anyone that had their ears and eyes open could hear and see this!