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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:59 PM
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Xtian neo-con goes to CHINA for STEM CELLS

Barf bag alert:


Hypocrisy writ large.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:03 PM
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1. Yeah, this guy should not go to China for stem cells.
That way, he won't see how much they helped him and will never change his mind on the issue.

:eyes:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:34 PM
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6. These are cells from FETUSES, not EMBRYOS
I'm not sure they're even still considered stem cells when they come from a fetus that's 16 weeks old.

I don't think anyone in America wants to harvest fetuses.

A fetus is NOT an embryo.

The embryo is a cluster of un-differentiated cells.

A fetus has body parts, and at 16 weeks, it has a brain.

There is a big, big difference between embryo and fetus.

I just want to make sure it is clear just how hypocritical this fundie is being.

Among them is Van Golden, a Christian, anti-abortion Texan who has sold his house so that he can travel to communist, atheist China and have Huang inject a million cells from the nasal area of a foetus into his spine. According to Golden's doctors, his spine was damaged beyond repair in a car crash last Christmas. The damage to his nervous system was so bad that he has been in a wheelchair and racked by spasms ever since. But Golden refused to give up, even if it meant having to compromise his values. "This is the only place that offered us any hope," he says. "Everyone else offered only to help make me sufficient in that chair. But the chair is not my destiny. It is not ordained."

It cannot be easy for a man of his beliefs to be in China, where the government's one-child policy is partly responsible for millions of abortions each year. But instead of shunning the system, Golden believes his only hope is to embrace it. There is nowhere else he could get foetal cells. "I wish there was another way they could do it. There are 4,000 abortions a day in the US. Partial-birth ones are murder on a most terrible level. What they are doing here is a whole lot more humane.

"Four thousand a day. That's a waste. Something good should come out of something bad. The people who don't believe that aren't in a wheelchair."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1363339,00.html

I wonder how things are working out for the ghoulish hypocrite:
http://kevdb.infospace.com/home/white-pages/kevdb?showrec=89870909:res-us&OTMPL=/white-pages/details.htm&QN=Golden&QF=Van&QC=&QS=tx&qsubcat=singlematch">Van Golden
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:49 PM
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10. Yes, he is a hypocrite
By doing business in China, he is supporting a system which leads to "millions of abortions." If he truly believed that abortion was murder, he would not want a single cent of his money to support the Chinese government in any way. However, he is willing to overlook Chinese policies because it is convenient for him to do so.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:18 PM
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2. Oh wow, this is really something....
<snip>

Among them is Van Golden, a Christian, anti-abortion Texan who has sold his house so that he can travel to communist, atheist China and have Huang inject a million cells from the nasal area of a foetus into his spine. According to Golden's doctors, his spine was damaged beyond repair in a car crash last Christmas. The damage to his nervous system was so bad that he has been in a wheelchair and racked by spasms ever since. But Golden refused to give up, even if it meant having to compromise his values. "This is the only place that offered us any hope," he says. "Everyone else offered only to help make me sufficient in that chair. But the chair is not my destiny. It is not ordained."

<end of quote>

What if this Dr. Huang Hongyun includes a strong does of Moe Tse-Tung's genetic brain cells in the injection as well and Mr Van Golden returns as a walking born again communist? I say, let him do it. Our very own real live Manchurian Candidate.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:27 PM
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3. You heard him. GOD wants him to violate his values.
And about time, I say.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:34 PM
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5. Isn't China where the Avian flu started? hmmmm n/t
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 03:35 PM by BrklynLiberal
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:33 PM
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4. They are ALL f*king hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When it comes to themselves or their children...abortions are just fine!!!! Stem-cell research..fine!!!!! Extra-marital affairs..ok!! 4 marriages ...ok!!!! Support out-of-wedlock children ...no-problem!!! Prescripton drug addicton ........sure!!!!!
Illegal coverups of felonious activities.........sure!!!
HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PUKE!!!!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:40 PM
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7. Good news
1) He's had to sell his house to pay for this.
2) It might not work.
3) It might make him sicker.
4) His friends will probably burn a cross on his lawn.
5) Even though he says he can justify it, I bet he's still tormented with guilt.
6) The problem with Chinese fetuses is that an hour after you eat one, you're hungry again.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:44 PM
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8. Write to these newspapers
Be sure to mention Mr. Van Golden

# Rockwall County News -- Rockwall , TX -- location is in North Texas, directly northeast of the Dallas metroplex near Lake Ray Hubbard. The Rockwall County News is an excellent small news publication that provides local news for Rockwall County including the communities of Rockwall, Heath and Royse City, TX. Updated daily.
http://www.rockwallcountynews.com/

# Rockwall Express -- Rockwall , TX -- location is in North Texas, directly northeast of the Dallas metroplex near Lake Ray Hubbard. The Rockwall Express provides local news for Rockwall County including the communities of Rockwall and Heath, TX. Updated daily.
http://www.rockwallexpress.com/

And to the ministers of these churches:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22Royse+City%2C+TX%22+churches
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:37 PM
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9. HAH! great work IanDB1!!! n/t
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