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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:18 AM
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Unembedded, Independent--The Iraq reality
Unembedded, Independent

An exclusive, in-depth interview with journalist Dahr Jamail on what is really going on in Iraq


by Charles Shaw, Editor-in-Chief, Newtopia

Newtopia: The US Corporate media consistently characterizes the Iraqi resistance as "foreign terrorists and former Ba’athist insurgents". In your experience, is this an accurate portrayal? If not, why?

Dahr Jamail: This is propaganda of the worst kind. Most Iraqis refer to the Iraqi Resistance as “patriots.” Which of course most of them are-they are, especially in Fallujah, primarily composed of people who simply are resisting the occupation of their country by a foreign power. They are people who have had family members killed, detained, tortured and humiliated by the illegal occupiers of their shattered country. Calling them “foreign terrorists” and “Ba’athist insurgents” is simply a lie.


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Newtopia: What are the sentiments of the Iraqis you have spoken with towards the Americans? Is there any good will left? Was there any to begin with? What do they think of Alawi, the pending "elections", the continued occupation, the American-trained Iraqi security forces? Do they have any hope or belief that the Americans will leave, or are they thinking this will be a generation-long occupation?

DJ: There was support by most Iraqis for the removal of Saddam Hussein. But that started to ebb quickly on in the occupation as people watched family members killed, detained, tortured and humiliated by the occupation forces.

Then there was Abu Ghraib. I cannot stress enough how devastating this was to US credibility in Iraq, and the entire Middle East.

Throw on top of that the April siege of Fallujah, nearly complete lack of reconstruction, importation of foreign workers to do jobs Iraqis are far more qualified for, the installation of an illegal interim government, and you have a complete PR disaster for the US here.

Any credibility for the occupiers, and I doubt there was much to speak of, after the destruction of Fallujah has been lost. Iraqis I speak with are infuriated at the US government. While they are well aware that what is most likely the majority of people in the US being in opposition to the Bush regime, they believe the US government and those who support it are guilty of war crimes of the worst kind. I see rage, grief, and the desire for revenge on a daily basis here.

They hate Allawi. They have no respect for him or any other of the puppets in the US-installed interim government, because they don’t see how any self-respecting person would allow themselves to be a puppet of the US in this illegal, brutal endeavor.

They are well aware that he is an exile who has been linked with the CIA and British intel for a long, long time. He and the rest of the interim government are views as thieves, rapists and US pawns. They are utterly loathed, as everyone here knows these people do not have the interests of the Iraqi people in mind.

The elections are viewed as a joke. Most here now believe there is no way they can be held in an honest, transparent and truly democratic way. Most are also too afraid to vote. I’ve heard people say things like, “The Americans won’t even allow a legitimate election in their own country, so why would they want to have one here!”

The Iraqi “security” forces, being the police and national guard, are viewed by most as surrogates of the US military. They are viewed as collaborators and traitors by most. While people understand many of these forces join out of desperation because there are no jobs, they remain loathed, along with the foreign occupation forces. It doesn’t help when many of the police are actively involved in organized crime.

Lastly, the occupation is viewed as endless. Iraqis know there are already 4 permanent military bases here, and more soldiers coming. There is little hope amongst those I talk with about this topic that the occupation will end.

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MORE: http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/content/issue19/features/DahrJamail.php

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/

http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:29 AM
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1. This doesn't surprise me
I've been thinking, if the US were invaded by a foreign occupier who did what the US has done to Iraqi people, most folks would take up arms and patriotically do everything they could to oust the foreign oppressors. Should we expect another people to do less?

I am glad that Iraqis know that not everyone here is in lock step with Bushco. Seems that it may behoove us to have some sort of nation wide demonstration/protest Jan. 20 to remind them and the rest of the world that some Americans still retain a sense of justice and American ideals.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 10:47 AM
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2. I hear his reports regularly on Democracy Now!
i have given up listening to MSM altogether
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:07 AM
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3. Great interview.
It never ceases to amaze me how the Bushgang thinks it can hide from reality, and that hiding from reality makes us strong, as if propaganda can actually be stronger than reality. But maybe in their world, this is true.

This interview gives a stunning picture of the way things are in Iraq, and also of the character and life history of this brave reporter.

Thanks for posting.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:17 PM
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4. You're welcome
Reality and truth will ultimately come through...but at what cost?
Tragic.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:28 AM
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:44 AM
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7. wrong
Edited on Mon Dec-20-04 12:45 AM by Skittles
they are brainwashed AND they are stupid, stupid conservatives.

oh and by the way, I receive letters from soldiers in Iraq whom I send packages to - and NONE OF THEM SUPPORT GEORGE F***ING W BUSH.
So who is brainwashed here?
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:45 AM
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8. Funny how the MSM has never told us how the military voted in the election
Four years ago, when we were not at war, we knew almost immediately that most of the military had voted for Bush.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:46 AM
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9. they f***ing despise that bastard
they need handpicked military audiences the same way they handpick the civilian ones
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 01:02 AM
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10. Enjoy your short stay!
"talk about how the majority of iraqis love us"

Wow, I want some of whatever you're smokin'. Only got to three posts before outing yourself. :eyes:
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