Winning Mormon Voters

[zacho]

Here's an interesting article from The New Republic online:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=sullivan011005

I've been sounding similar themes all along. Our party needs to be open to allowing states to determine their own abortion laws. Either that or we need to condone abortion but defend it as a poverty preventer. We are isolating millions of voters by arguing abortion as a civil right's issue.

[WildClarySage]

1. Why stop at state abortion laws?

why not let states decide on interracial marriage or whether to make rape legal... or equal opportunity employment issues?


Abortion IS a civil rights issue.

[Warpy]

2. It's a civil rights issue

It's simply the way desperate women protect their health, finances, social support system and LIVES against an unwanted intrusion into their bodies. Declaring it illegal in any state will result in the return of the amateur abortionist, something I think even right to lifers don't want, should they ever think things through that far. It's a self defense issue. It's also a medical privacy issue, since medicine is involved in ensuring the woman lives through the process with her fertility intact.

Government should never intrude into medical decisions except to set minimum standards for safety. Right to lifers need to consider that a government that feels a need to ban medical procedures can also feel it has a right to compel them.

Just try to remember what it was like before 1974. The people spearheading the fight to legalize abortion were clergymen who had been called to minister to terrified, maimed, bleeding, and dying women in emergency rooms. Women will continue to seek abortion to defend their lives. Antiabortion laws will only deny access to safe abortion.

Do you really want states to be able to do this to half their population?

[musette_sf]

4. I agree, and who would want to win Mormon voters?

Everything in their so-called "religion" is designed to subjugate women. They believe in obeying their law of their "God" over the laws of their country. Progressives believe that we all live in this world together. Mormons believe that all they have to do for glory is to take care of their own, and all the rest of us are going to "Hell". Nope, don't want 'em, don't need 'em, they're just a three dollar bill.

[Raster]

3. I will not read the article. Winning mormon voters....puhleeeeze!!!

Not going to happen. I was raised in a mormon family in a mormon town in predomionately mormon southeast arizona. "good" mormons will never vote democratic as long as salt lake city tells them not to.

What most of you do not know is the amount of monetary support the church gives to anti-women's issues, anti-gay issues, defense of family issues, republican candidates and other anti-liberal causes. The mormon church has made it clear that they will do everything to support their view of morals and values.

There are several on this board who will flame me. They have before. The mormon church meddles in political matters as bad if not worse than the vatican. Believe me, they very much have their own agenda.

[noamnety]

5. Our party does not "condone" abortion

We condone a combination of abstinance, sex education, responsible sex if you chose to have it, access to birth control, and working to remove the causes that women consistently list as the reasons they get abortions (which are primarily economic).

[Demeter]

6. Don't Forget Education!

Education is the foundation of successful living. It is the destruction of indoctrination and ignorance. Done thoroughly, it produces moral people who choose to act in the ways we desire good citizens to act. Which is why the right is hell-bent on destroying all aspects of education.

[Raster]

8. Right on the money. Studies in other countries have found that when

there is access to (a) competent sexual and reproductive information; (b) birth control and family planning advice; (c) a woman-friendly/child-friendly infrastructure in place that helps women feed their children, clothe their children, shelter their children and provide adequate medical care for themselves and their children, the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies goes WAY, WAY DOWN!!! Imagine that. Unfortunately in this patriarchal, testosterone-fueled, religious-bigot sort of world we live in today, the simple, gentle, fair, loving and EFFECTIVE solutions take a back seat.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

7. I find the following argument works better

There have been fifty two thousand more abortions under Bush than under Clinton.

Tell this to a religious conservative. Watch them squirm.

Then tell them that researchers have delved into the causes of this increase. But rather than telling them, ask what do they think researchers found has been driving this dramatic increase?

They'll squirm more. Why? Because deep in their hearts they already know the answer. Which is (in order): #1] Increased poverty, #2] A higher rate of unintended pregnancies among uninformed teens, and #3] Decreased access to birth control.

You can also tell them that Democrats are just as much anti-Abortion as they are. No matter what side you are on in terms of legalization, an abortion is a failure. No woman wakes up in the morning and says, "Gee! I'm going to get to have an abortion today! What fun!".

It really is unintended pregnancy that is the problem here. Stop that, and you virtually eliminate abortion as a problem in the nation.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Raster]

9. No one. Not one fucking person in this country is pro-abortion. Not one.

Your comments are right on the money.

[Raster]

10. I'm sorry. No we are not. I refuse to play. The majority of the adults

in this country believe a woman has the right to choose. Plain and simple. The appeasers are saying turn our backs on something we fundamentally believe to appeal to... who? Most people already support pro-choice. It's a very, very vocal MINORITY that seeks to eliminate choice. So I'm asking you once again, who are we supposed to appeal to?

[hadrons]

11. win the Mormon voters??? One word ... legalized polygamy

throw marriage to the religion organizations (churches, etc) in each state and those LDS androids will fall over themselves if they could legalized polygamy (civil unions could be recogized under the law)