This war on terrorism is bogus (Guardian)

[msmcghee]

An extensive piece on this breaking news. This is hot. (Sat 6:30 AM PT)

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html

[HereSince1628]

1. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=100030

and even that thread was a dupe of one from yesterday

[jmcgowanjm]

4. the dateline says 09/06

how could it be a dupe?

[jmcgowanjm]

5. edit:please ignore my above comment on dupe, thanx n/t

[artr2]

2. YOU ABSOLUTLY HAVE TO READ THIS!!

Smoking gun????

[ozymandius]

15. No smoking gun.

The evidence is circumstancial at this point and well stated but full of good leads. The smoking gun will tie Meacher's assertions to the intent of those who orchestrated and implemented these plans. We need another Deep Throat.

[Fovea]

3. I am glad to see the things we have known

all along reaching the public at large.

Stick a fork in Karl Rove and the PNAC pirates, they are done.

[jmcgowanjm]

6. this is what Bush' sTV on Sunday is about

Britain and Spain are unraveling.

TV will be hard pressed to say why
Campbell and (soon-this week?) Hoon
have/are resigning while BushCo
is still pushing (see David-not a scientist_
Kay) WMD.

Bush must escalate or concede.

[IkeWarnedUs]

7. Pinch me - I must be dreaming

Michael Meacher and the Guardian say it - they actually come right out and say it!!!

<snip>

The catalogue of evidence does, however, fall into place when set against the PNAC blueprint. From this it seems that the so-called "war on terrorism" is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives.

<snip>

Fire up the copier and fax machine. We have to spread this article far and wide.

What a beautiful day!

[chasqui]

8. Of course it's bogus!

The only thing I am interested in now, since there is nothing in this article that I haven't read elsewhere - or figured out on my own, is the process by which these notions become well known to the public at large.

[StandWatie]

9. I expect them to just start admiting these things soon..

A big part of the population couldn't care less if it is all about the US dominating the globe.

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Excellent summary of the whole sickening fascist lie!

Nothing in that article that I didn't already know, but Meacher did an excellent job of tying it all together. It's too bad that the US corporate media is so corrupted that an article like this will never be published on this side of the pond :grr:

[Judi Lynn]

11. How many ways can this be interpreted

(from the PNAC document outlined in the Guardian article)?

(snip) The document also calls for the creation of "US space forces" to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent "enemies" using the internet against the US. It also hints that the US may consider developing biological weapons "that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool".

Far worse than ANYTHING I have ever heard before. If this kind of planning has actually been discussed, things are far more deadly than anyone SANE could ever imagine.

[msmcghee]

13. Yes, think about it.

This is so far beyond the realm of reality as we know (knew) it.

It could be that defeating GWB in '04 is a naive, simplistic notion of what needs to be done to save us (and civilization) from these madmen - monsters.

It is mind-boggling.

[ozymandius]

14. Tangentially, this is why Bush does not give a shit about unemployment.

The stock market is the only arbiter of economic health to him. The unemployed bedamned! He appears complicit in the export of American jobs because that will free up a significant amount of the American workforce for "cannon fodder" duties in these overseas wars.

[ozymandius]

12. This puts a new color on that "we got lucky" comment.

First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior Mossad experts were sent to Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September 16 2001). The list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom was arrested.

When 9/11 widows questioned how FBI agents recovered of ATM photos of some of the hijackers on 9/12 and found, quite expeditiously, the flight schools they used for training (9/13 I believe), the FBI agents simply stated, "We got lucky."

[NNN0LHI]

17. "We got lucky."? It sounds like the FBI hit the trifecta too n/t

[ILeft]

16. What will it take for this to be exposed in the major US media?

Until cable television "news" tells the masses what to think, they aren't going to think it.

One of the PNAC/Bush Regime insiders is going to have to break his blood oath and spell this out in a way that the US media just can't ignore anymore. It doesn't matter if some of us understand what's going on, it has to be marketed and sold by cable news, networks, and major print media.

[msmcghee]

18. And they control the . . .

. . cable news, networks, and major print media.

Another tri-fecta for the chimp and his minions?

[ILeft]

19. As ozymandius posted, there has to be a smoking gun.

A smoking gun so clear and undeniable that the US media has to go with it. And I think that can only come from an insider.

Is there a man of character somewhere in this evil Regime? Is there someone who wants to try and save his or her soul? Or maybe just save his or her children and grandchildren???

[Cassandra]

20. How about pursuing the question...

of why no jets were scrambled at all? Why have an Air Force if they're not going to protect us? I think the answers on that subject would resonate even with the wingnuts.

[msmcghee]

21. Another piece to the puzzle fits perfectly

In fact - are there any pieces that don't fit LIHOP?