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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:37 AM
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The Coming Wars, by Seymour Hersh
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 05:59 AM by Bernardo de La Paz
Shades of right wing death squads, Gulf of Tonkin, and Abu Ghraib.
Note too that the religious nutcase Lt. Gen. Boykin is a Rumsfeld
key deputy in the command chain for commando ops.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

THE COMING WARS
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
What the Pentagon can now do in secret.
New Yorker Issue of 2005-01-24 and 31
Posted 2005-01-17

<snip>

The President’s decision enables Rumsfeld to run the operations off
the books—free from legal restrictions imposed on the C.I.A. Under
current law, all C.I.A. covert activities overseas must be authorized
by a Presidential finding and reported to the Senate and House
intelligence committees. (The laws were enacted after a series of
scandals in the nineteen-seventies involving C.I.A. domestic spying
and attempted assassinations of foreign leaders.) “The Pentagon
doesn’t feel obligated to report any of this to Congress,” the
former high-level intelligence official said. “They don’t even call
it ‘covert ops’—it’s too close to the C.I.A. phrase. In their
view, it’s ‘black reconnaissance.’ They’re not even going to tell
the cincs”—the regional American military
commanders-in-chief. (The Defense Department and the White House did
not respond to requests for comment on this story.)

<snip>

“The idea that an American attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities
would produce a popular uprising is extremely illinformed,” said
Flynt Leverett, a Middle East scholar who worked on the National
Security Council in the Bush Administration. “You have to
understand that the nuclear ambition in Iran is supported across the
political spectrum, and Iranians will perceive attacks on these sites
as attacks on their ambitions to be a major regional player and a
modern nation that’s technologically sophisticated.” Leverett, who
is now a senior fellow at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, at
the Brookings Institution, warned that an American attack, if it takes
place, “will produce an Iranian backlash against the United States
and a rallying around the regime.”

<snip>

The legal questions about the Pentagon’s right to conduct covert
operations without informing Congress have not been resolved. “It’s
a very, very gray area,” said Jeffrey H. Smith, a West Point
graduate who served as the C.I.A.’s general counsel in the
mid-nineteen-nineties. “Congress believes it voted to include all
such covert activities carried out by the armed forces. The military
says, ‘No, the things we’re doing are not intelligence actions
under the statute but necessary military steps authorized by the
President, as Commander-in-Chief, to “prepare the
battlefield.”’” Referring to his days at the C.I.A., Smith
added, “We were always careful not to use the armed forces in a
covert action without a Presidential finding. The Bush Administration
has taken a much more aggressive stance.”

<snip>

The new rules will enable the Special Forces community to set up what
it calls “action teams” in the target countries overseas which
can be used to find and eliminate terrorist organizations. “Do you
remember the right-wing execution squads in El Salvador?” the
former high-level intelligence official asked me, referring to the
military-led gangs that committed atrocities in the early
nineteen-eighties. “We founded them and we financed them,” he
said. “The objective now is to recruit locals in any area we
want. And we aren’t going to tell Congress about it.” A former
military officer, who has knowledge of the Pentagon’s commando
capabilities, said, “We’re going to be riding with the bad
boys.”

<snip>

-----

Definitely recommended reading from the man who broke the Abu Ghraib
scandal wide open. This material deserves to be more widely known.

(on edit, the title, per moderator request. Old title was "Bush Planning Large Scale Covert Military Activities that may be Illegal".)
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:46 AM
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1. Bernardo de La Paz
When posting articles, please use the published title of the article as the title of the discussion thread. You can go to edit and change the articles title.
Thanks in advance.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:22 AM
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5. Thanks for editing the title
moving to Editorials and other Articles, this is a feature article not Latest Breaking News. Here's a current thread with the topic, currently being discussed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1156226
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:51 AM
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2. The republican AND the democratic parties had better
grab back the reins and stop this. These people have lost what was left of their minds and are now completely out of control.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:18 AM
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3. Wasn't that the thinking of the Oklahoma bombers? Tim McVeigh?
Wasn't bombing that building supposed to cause a popular uprising against the government? Our government?

These people have got to get out more. They've been talking only to each other for way too long.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:19 AM
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4. The system of checks & balances is out of balance.
From the article: The Bush Administration has taken a much more aggressive stance.

The Bush administration is extremely aggressive, and they're getting away with it. They need to be stopped.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:44 AM
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6. This administration scares the bejesus out of me.
I hope the Dems realize they're the opposition and they do something to stop these madmen.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:56 AM
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7. With so many Dems supporting the war on Iraq and other parts of the
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 06:58 AM by ikojo
Bush agenda, it will be very difficult to muster opposing votes to an attack on Iran.

It will be VERY easy for the media to whip up a frenzy of hatred toward the Iranians. After all, they will say, this is the country where Americans were held hostage for more than a year. I can see the propaganda campaign already. I am sure there are former hostages all too willing to allow themselves to be used for propagandistic purposes.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 07:01 AM
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8. The madmen are in control
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 07:04 AM by teryang
This is what fascism looks like. This is the foreign policy of Rheinhard Heydrich.

The ruling American clique will take what they want. The dollar will be supported by the gun and the bomb. Fascism is a movement, it must continue its agression or it will perish.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 08:06 AM
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9. everything and every action is on the table with this administration!!
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 08:17 AM
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10. Seymour Hersh just said on CNN
"As one of my inside sources said to me once, You have to drink the Koolaid before you go to a meeting" Haaaaaaaaa! LOL!

This was in ref. to the fact that this administration won't listen to anything they don't want to hear.
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designforce Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 09:53 AM
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11. Scary, scary indeed
So once we attack and the Iranian people rally around their leaders because we 'attacked' their country here is what I believe will happen.

1. The Iranians will call for support from all of Islam.

2. They will launch a strike with missiles on our bases in Iraq.

3. They will send their army into Iraq and engage us on the ground in non-conventional warfare. (No tank battles, just small units)

4. They will get the support of the Syrains who will launch small units into Iraq.

5. The UAE, Kuwait, and Saudi will kick us out of their countries.

6. There will be an oil embargo against the US.

And all this will happen in the space of a few days.

Oh yes, the next four years will be a time of war. More war, more death, more destruction....

Oh yeah!

will the people then throw the Republicans out?

I hope so...
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 08:34 PM
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21. Americans will only learn the hard way
So get out the two by fours and starting slamming in the heads now. In five or ten years of bloodshedding they might catch on.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 10:14 AM
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12. here's the line that tells all
"Under Rumsfeld’s new approach, I was told, U.S. military operatives would be permitted to pose abroad as corrupt foreign businessmen seeking to buy contraband items that could be used in nuclear-weapons systems. In some cases, according to the Pentagon advisers, local citizens could be recruited and asked to join up with guerrillas or terrorists. This could potentially involve organizing and carrying out combat operations, or even terrorist activities. "

So, here Rummy admits that we do indeed commit terrorist acts, ironically in the name of stopping terrorism.


These mafia thugs will destroy the reputation of this country for decades to come with garbage like this.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 08:31 PM
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20. He was going to set up a special operations group for this
...a couple of years ago. It was called P2SOG, it was patterned after two forbears. One, the P2 lodge terror campaign in postwar Italy, a series of CIA sponsored right wing terror bombings falsely attributed to the Italian communists. The second is the SOG in the whitehouse basement that carried out terrorist activities in latin america and elsewhere during the Reagan and Bush I administrations.

The essence is that they provoke or create terror incidents to undermine the enemy. Isn't this what 911 and the anthrax incidents were all about? This is their modus operandi.
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Pikku Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 11:54 AM
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13. Sing along with me, folks
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 11:58 AM by Pikku
This is the war that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends
Bush began this war on 'terra' without knowing what it was
And we'll continue fighting it forever just because

This is the war that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends
Bush began this war on 'terra' without knowing what it was
And we'll continue fighting it forever just because

This is the war that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends
Bush began this war on 'terra' without knowing what it was
And we'll continue fighting it forever just because.....
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 12:50 PM
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14. Brilliant song!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 01:17 PM
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15. Utter madness
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 01:17 PM by TexasLawyer
"The civilians in the Pentagon want to go into Iran and destroy as much of the military infrastructure as possible,” the government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon told me."

Isn't that what we were trying to do in the "shock and awe" attacks on Iraq? Wasn't that why the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? That strategy didn't work out too well in either case.

"The government consultant told me that the hawks in the Pentagon, in private discussions, have been urging a limited attack on Iran because they believe it could lead to a toppling of the religious leadership. “Within the soul of Iran there is a struggle between secular nationalists and reformers, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, the fundamentalist Islamic movement,” the consultant told me. “The minute the aura of invincibility which the mullahs enjoy is shattered, and with it the ability to hoodwink the West, the Iranian regime will collapse”—like the former Communist regimes in Romania, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz share that belief, he said."

WHAT?!? That makes just about as much sense as Timothy McVeigh's strategy that the OKC bombing would spawn a nationwide revolt by the American people against the evil federal government. Didn't happen, and never would have happened.

What is this government doing? Our leaders do not have the interests of America-- either short term or long-term-- at heart. In fact, it looks like they're trying to do us in. These mofo's need to be out of power.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 01:24 PM
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16. the problem is
many americans think invading iran is a great idea.

they dont want to believe that their president doesnt know what he is doing, that america can ever truly do anything wrong, or that democracy isnt always the preferred end state of every human.

i got into a debate today, more like an argument, with two fellow officers that we wouldnt be here (in iraq) in ten years, i said no way, they said yes. their reason, because things will get better and this place will be just like germany is today. nice, peaceful and just another overseas assignment.

They think things cant stay bad forever...they are so blind its absolutely frustrating because to them i think admitting the alternative means that everything was for nothing and a lot of americans think that way.

they dont want to believe this was another vietnam or another war in vain, so they keep waiting for that oasis over the next sand dune...

and that's really hard to overcome with even logic or facts because they really wanna believe an oasis is just a dune or two away.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 01:31 PM
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17. Gen Boykin is our Gen Turgedson!
"I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed! But I DO SAY, no more than 10 to 20 million killed TOPS! uh.. depending on the breaks...."
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:05 PM
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19. We must do everything we can to prevent
those evil Iranians from getting to our precious bodily fluids.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:59 PM
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18. I'm not sure the democrats
even recognize what is happening here. Bush & co. don't play by the rules, don't recognize their mistakes, aren't doing what they say they are doing, they lie and don't believe the rules apply to them and have been able to remove the system of checks and balances. Plus they control all branches of government and the media. And the CIA has turned out to be a paper tiger that lets itself be dismantled. It is very scary. The only hope is that bush's illness gets worse and Cheney has to take over. I don't think the people will follow him as blindly.
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:10 PM
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22. Who cares.. Jebus is Comming!
jk

I feel sick.

I feel helpless and I feel impotent.

I feel so small.

I hate the way I feel.
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 10:47 PM
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23. hang in there
"either we are alone in the universe or we are not." "Either way, it's a mighty sobering thought.".. walt kelly..1913-1973.
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