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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:54 PM
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Kerry: Idiot or A-hole?
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 05:02 PM by CitizenRob
Source LiberalTimes.com


For two months voter advocacy groups, civil rights groups, and Democrats from all over the country had been crying foul over numerous anti-democratic tactics used to supress the votes of Democrats in Ohio. The Republicans were set to lose Ohio, but thanks to the dirty tricks that Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell employed Democrats were either not permitted to vote, were intimidated, or weren't given the resources to vote. The people of Ohio, according to exit polls, had tried to vote for Kerry by large margin. When the polls closed though the final tally showed Bush as the winner. Immediately citizens began to speak out against the unfair day of polling in which highly Democratic precincts were given only 2 voting machines despite having 1300 registered voters. Meanwhile in other precincts poll workers had accepted provisional ballots without informing the voter they needed to also submit in afidavit. The Republicans, always lieing about supporting the troops, refused to count the votes from the military into the final Ohio tally.

Among the issues raised in 2004 were allegations or complaints regarding:

* Voter registration obstacles
* Improper purges of voter lists
* Voter suppression
* Accuracy and reliability of voting machines, especially electronic voting including allegations voting machines were designed with the aim of vote fraud in mind by vote machine companies who have ties to the Republican party
* Problems with absentee ballots and provisional ballots

-- Wikipedia: 2004 US Election Irregularities


In the event that electoral votes are questionably obtained a congress person may submit a challenge to the electoral votes. In order for a challenge to go forward a Senator must sign onto that challenge.Two weeks ago the distinguished Senator Barbara Boxer did what had to be done: she signed onto the challenge of the Ohio electoral votes. In a Senate with 48 Democrats, only one was willing to sign onto a rightful challenge of a most unscrupulous election day in Ohio. An election day so biased in application of the law that it most likely changed the results of our nation's election, and the course of our entire democracy. There should have been 48 signatures on the challenge, instead there was one.

For most of us in the Senate and the House, we have spent our lives fighting for things we believe in - always fighting to make our nation better. We have fought for social justice. We have fought for economic justice. We have fought for environmental justice. We have fought for criminal justice. Now we must add a new fight - the fight for electoral justice. -- Barbara Boxer


Barbara Boxer emerged as a hero willing to stand up for what was right just as Democrats began to lose faith in their party's will to fight . Surely the man who stands to gain the most from this challenge, John Kerry, would be thankful to Barbara Boxer for standing up for him... right? The answer is no. The same day Barbara Boxer signed the challenge Kerry released a statement saying he did not support the challenge to the Ohio electoral votes. Say what?! How dare he! After all the work, all the support, all the time, and effort that I, and hundreds of thousands like me put into getting him elected he says he doesn't support a rightful challenge. All that Kerry had to do was keep his mouth shut and let the challenge play through. Instead he had to undermine it with a statement saying he doesn't support it. Nobody likes a loser, and everybody despises a man who intentionally makes himself a loser.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:59 PM
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1. We did this yesterday
With that Nashua-Advocate-editor-blogger thing. :boring:
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:02 PM
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2. Interesting
considering it was written today.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:05 PM
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4. See here - nothing new under the sun, my mom used to say. . .
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:08 PM
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6. thanks 10^6
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:03 PM
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:04 PM
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3. P.A.O.J.K.D.N.I.M
Petty Attacks On John Kerry Do Not Impress Me

Nor on other good Dems.

Sorry that he is being mean to Condi today instead of weeping over your editorial.

:nopity:

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Lizzie Borden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:09 PM
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7. Thanks for that post.
I sometimes am saddened by the amount of bashing that goes on here. I'm not about to bash any democrat.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:06 PM
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5. That wasn't the email I got from Kerry
what he said was "I will not be taking part in the formal challenge". In the same email, he asked me & 3 million others to call Hastert & Frist. I got the distinct impression that he was supporting the challenge, just not "formally". Why else would he ask us to make those calls?

He wasn't there and they STILL tried to blame it on "sore losers". Imagine if he would have been there.

Why are people so hell bent on attacking Kerry? I'll just never understand it.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:12 PM
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8. Maybe...
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 05:13 PM by CitizenRob
it's because Kerry is a pussy that laid down and let the Bush campaign walk all over him before all the votes had been counted. These election irregularities weren't a surprise to ANYBODY. I went to Reno for the five days leading up to the election in order to take part in the Get Out The Vote. I encountered the Republican poll intimidators, as did the Kerry campaign poll workers.

So Kerry threw in the towel HYPER-prematurely when his campaign must have had THOUSANDS of stories about Republican wrong doing. I'm glad he didn't win. I'd rather he lost, and we had a chance to throw out the wishy washy "take the money and run" Democrats we have now than suffer through 4 more years of Democratic party mediocrity.

Kerry's actions on Nov 3rd were all too typical of the Democratic party for the last 10 years. That is why we're losing, and that's why we need to get these people out. If Kerry had squeeked out a small margin we'd just have to deal with another bigger defeat in four years.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:17 PM
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9. I disagree
Diebold and the outright criminal actions of the rethugs are the reason we are "losing". I believe we probably didn't "lose". "Thousands of stories" do not equal EVIDENCE.

The article above reminds me exactly of right wing spin.

It was not the email I received from Kerry. I still have it, and just reread it. It was a call for action, and the article above is very misleading.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:32 PM
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10. The article isn't talking about the e-mail
that Kerry sent. The opinion piece is talking about the statement that Kerry made from Iraq that he had "no intention of supporting the challenge."


You can reread whatever e-mails you want, Kerry issued a seperate statement that wasn't e-mailed to you personally.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:39 PM
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11. Sources of Kerry saying he would not join Challenge.
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 05:40 PM by CitizenRob
From the Chicago Tribune:
Kerry, for his part, was traveling in Iraq on Thursday and issued a statement that he had no intention of joining the election protest.

From ABC News:
Underscoring that the outcome was not in doubt, Kerry, who conceded to Bush the day after the Nov. 2 election, said he would not join the challenge. The four-term Massachusetts senator was in the Middle East, thanking U.S. troops for their service.

From Pacifica Radio:
John Kerry, who conceded to Bush the day after the Nov. 2 election, said he would not join the challenge.


And please don't give me any garbage about these being Republican mouth pieces. I sure as hell know that Pacifica is as far left as they come.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:44 PM
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12. Must have missed that statement
I know what he asked me to do. I give up - you win. Trash away if it makes you feel better.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:47 PM
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13. Sorry to be a downer
but we have got to get some major change going in the Democractic party. That is the point of the article. The opinion expressed in the piece is that had Kerry won the Democrats would've continued to be mediocre and unelectable in the long run. It is a hidden blessing that we lost this election because now we have the chance to reform the party so that people with solid progressive viewpoints are at the helm.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:54 PM
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14. Actually, not a downer
If it makes you feel better, bash away.

I just received an email from Kerry with a petition asking for Rumsfield to be fired. I'd just rather concentrate on positive things like that. Obviously, no matter what the guy does, he's going to get trashed - if you feel that's productive, that's up to you.

I don't. I'm behind anyone who wants to fight this asshole administration, and I want to save my bashing energy for the administration that deserves it.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 05:59 PM
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15. Okay
You fight this administration, I'll be fighting for our future. They're both worthy battles in the same war.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:21 PM
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17. Rush et al will take care of the Dems - why don't you fight Frist and
Hastert?

Bashing Kerry does not advance the cause of Progressives in the Dem party.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:53 PM
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18. But
kissing his ass does?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 09:33 PM
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19. Did I tell you to write him a Love Poem? OTOH calling a good Democrat
an "Idiot" or an "A-hole" is best left to the likes of Hannity or Rush. Which I am sure they will be doing tomorrow regarding JK's questioning of Condi and her husband.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:48 PM
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20. We
should be destroying Democrats who won't work for us. We should be starving (of votes) the Dems who won't fight when they must fight.

We must fight so that those who work for us (our reps) will know they can't just coast to the next pay check.

Giving somebody a pass just because they have a D in front of their name on the TV screen and in the newspapers doesn't make us strong, to the contrary it makes us weak.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:44 PM
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23. "Destroying"?
You manage to contradict yourself in that little passage.

"We should be destroying Democrats who won't work for us. We should be starving (of votes) the Dems who won't fight when they must fight.

"We must fight so that those who work for us (our reps) will know they can't just coast to the next pay check."

Dividing and decimating the party is not the answer. You are bending over backwards to alienate allies.

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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:56 PM
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21. Hey, Kerry's gotta get ready for windsurfing season!
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 02:57 PM by eg101
Those new windsurfing outfits don't try themselves on, ya know!
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 01:12 AM
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22. ha!
there, that was the problem the whole time. :-)
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