With O'Neil's Outing of Bush- Iraq for Oil - Is this Impeachment material?

[cthrumatrix]

Can a sitting president "lie" to the american public like he has...take the US to war...lives lost...based on these "disclosed lies exposed by former Secretary Paul O'neil"

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9.htm

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Suskind says O'Neill and other White House insiders he interviewed gave him documents that show that in the first three months of 2001, the administration was looking at military options for removing Saddam Hussein from power and planning for the aftermath of Saddam's downfall, including post-war contingencies like peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals and the future of Iraq's oil. "There are memos," Suskind tells Stahl, "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'" A Pentagon document, says Suskind, titled "Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts," outlines areas of oil exploration. "It talks about contractors around the world from...30, 40 countries and which ones have what intentions on oil in Iraq," Suskind says.

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OIL...OIL...OIL.....this is going to bring this president down.

[radfringe]

1. Follow the oil slick

I want to see the Suskind documents plastered all over the media with the headline BUSH LIED

[The Zanti Regent]

16. But there is no stained blue dress.

The GOP says you GOT to have a stained blue dress before you can impeach!

[BuelahWitch]

33. Can we get a blue dress and put an oil stain on it? n/t

[The Zanti Regent]

74. The Press Whores will still say it's Clinton's fault!

OR they will say the oil leaked from Clinton's Zipper...

[cthrumatrix]

63. perhaps somebody can share these with a media person

who is willing to search for truth after the 60 minutes segment.

[Benhurst]

2. Impeachment?? Not so long as the Republicans control

all three branches of the government.

[cthrumatrix]

4. if they don't ...people will vote "OUT" all repugs ....they may have no

choice for the benefit of thier party's future.

This could turn the entire "majority" on a dime.

[loudsue]

24. They CAN'T "vote 'em out"....haven't you been keeping up w/ BBV

research on how many shenanigans the voting machine programmers have come up with to put their guys in office??

Just look at the Gropernator's governor's race in California.

:kick:

[cthrumatrix]

25. this issue may "explode" into the need for "transparency" on ALL things

such as voting and media.

I can dream..can't I?

[are_we_united_yet]

27. I feel ya!

:)

[indepat]

9. Would even three Republican Congressmen ever vote to impeach

a Republican president, no matter how high the crimes?: I think not.

[leesa]

56. You mean the "Party of Patriots" would support treason?

Of course they wouldn't vote to impeach!

[beanball]

73. A good reason

to vote the crooks out of office.

[opihimoimoi]

3. Its a Large chip...dunno if fatal but still a biggie chip on the pile

26354 feet high

[CityZen-X]

5. The Lord Of The Lies......

has control of the flies!

[cthrumatrix]

6. Furthermore...the media is at fault...they had access to all the experts

who were against the "data points" and the media ignored them and never informed the public of the "other side"

Only to let their sons/daughters/wifes/husbands go off to a war based on lies and deception.

[ShimokitaJer]

7. We could impeach him... but we probably shouldn't

It's certainly valid grounds for impeachment, but we've already got plenty of that. Rather than calling for impeachment (turning Bush into a martyr figure for Bush sympathizers to use to drum up support), I think we can use the media's laziness in reporting these things to our advantage. Once we have a single Democratic candidate, these issues can be brought up again and again, focusing on the inherent contradictions and the obvious spinning of the Bush administration. Rather than making Bush into a sympathetic target of Democratic party-led impeachment proceedings, we focus on the way Bush has gotten away with all this with very little media attention. The public is willing to rush to the aid of someone if they are perceived as being unfairly attacked, but they will turn against someone if they are perceived as cheating and working the system (ie - the media). Many people are willing to believe the media is lying to them, and we can make Bush the poster boy for spin.

Of course Bush deserves impeachment, but why energize the Republican base when we can erode it instead.

[eileen from OH]

8. Gawd - NO IMPEACHMENT

to do what - install Cheney? of Frist?

We can throw the bums out in an election in less than a year. AND (please God) this might help us get the Senate back.

But NOT if we get distracted by the huge brouhaha that impeachment would bring. Plus, we learned from the attempt to get Clinton that it can backfire.

Patience, please. Don't let the emotional tug of "getting 'em good" blur the practicalities.

eileen from OH

[cthrumatrix]

11. I say impeach...let the repubgs "block"..and the people will throw out

all repugs for "not stepping up" to the constitutional oath that bush took when he took office.

You can't lie...decieve..lose lives and go on to say.."it's alright"!

[eileen from OH]

30. but it's not practical, time-wise

Even IF an impeachment could get geared up TODAY it would be several months before it actually got going. During that time, all of our candidates and the primaries would get zero coverage. It would be impeachment 24/7 (interrupted, of course, with breaking news about Kobe Bryant, Laci Peterson, and Michael Jackson.) Supporters flocking to Bush because they (God forgive me) "like" him and think it's all some big mistake and he's an honorable man, blah-blah-blah. Never underestimate the blindness of some of his support.

Instead, envision a summer where our candidate gets an issue that is so golden and so perfect that he (sorry, CMB) can hammer away at it as more and more comes out.

We don't want to ENERGIZE Bush supporters, fer Pete's sake. We won't get their votes. I'll settle for them staying home.

Eyes on the prize, eyes on the prize.

eileen from OH

[Blue_Roses]

39. Excellent Point!

I agree.

[madrchsod]

10. the american public

will do nothing. it doesn`t matter whether the president lied to them or not. karl knows this and that is why they really don`t care what the american people think.

[cthrumatrix]

12. they will impeach for a "BJ"...and they won't for 500 lives lost?

please give the American people more credit.

I do agree it will take fair disclosure and people willing to take this to another level.

[Don Claybrook]

15. Make that 3500, plus about 10,000

500 + 3000 (WTC) + 10,000 or more Iraqis.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. anywhere from 30,000 to 50,000 dead Iraqi's last official count i read

[Don Claybrook]

41. I was being....conservative with my numbers

Ignore the irony in that statement. :)

Like you, I imagine there are many more Iraqi dead, but I was going with one of the lower numbers I had read about.

[wtmusic]

57. The UK Guardian

estimates between 14,000 and 42,000 Iraqi military deaths. IraqBodyCount.net estimates around 9,000 civilians. 30,000 deaths (excuse me, murders) is a conservative estimate by anyone's standard.
:puke:

[cthrumatrix]

58. I call 30,00 deaths based on pre-emptives lies "serious matter"

the press better make up their minds what the hell to do. Becuase the dam is about to break.

[drdigi420]

64. sorry, no more credit to the american people

until they demonstrate more creditworthiness in that dept

so far they have accepted the lies of bush because they can always fall back on 3 magic words:

"yah, but Clinton..."

[cthrumatrix]

65. nobody "died" there my friend.....this is different

[Leilani]

31. I agree with you

The Repugs will smear O'Neill, the media won't really cover the story, & the Sheeple will watch the latest reality TV show or football or whatever.

This is really the responsibility of the media. I'm sure WH reporters & others know plenty about this stuff.

When will people take this stuff seriously?

This also shows Clark was right about Pentagon rumors & people said he was nuts.

[cthrumatrix]

32. However, Clark, Dean and others will be bulldogs about this for the

whole year...Bush is toast ..he lied and people are coming forward with facts.

[BuelahWitch]

36. After we win the election can we try them for war crimes?

:bounce: Huh, can we?

[Leilani]

40. Right, Clark, Dean & Others will Speak Out

If only the media would do their job, & talk about the issues, rather than "he's up 1 pt in the polls" & "what did so & so say 25 years ago" ?

If this had happened 20 years ago, the press would be all over it.

[jbfam4]

13. How many more are willing to lie for Bush*

"O'Neill, who was asked to resign because of his opposition to the tax cut, says he doesn't think his tell-all account in this book will be attacked by his former employers as sour grapes. "I will be really disappointed if reacts that way," he tells Stahl. "I can't imagine that I am going to be attacked for telling the truth."


Will any others stand up and tell the truth or will they all shill for Bush*?

[Sophree]

22. I think you just had your question answered.

By the zombie bushbot in post 14. LOL.

[LunaC]

66. "I can't imagine that I am going to be attacked for telling the truth."

Yeah, that's what Ambassador Wilson thought, too, before they outed his wife.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[demgrrrll]

17. You wish. N/t.

.

[Mikimouse]

18. Please explain exactly what you mean??

I am confused.

[cthrumatrix]

19. O'neil was fired because he commissioned a report - $44 Trillion Gap

in govt payments between income revceive and payment to be made. It was done by the Federal Reserve bank of Clevland and shelved by the White House.

Anything else you want to add?

SPECIAL REPORT ON THE U.S. ECONOMY
The $44 Trillion Abyss
The baby-boomers are about to retire, and it's going to cost us—big. Here's what the government doesn't want you to know.
By Anna Bernasek


Last fall Paul O'Neill, then Secretary of the Treasury, wanted a simple answer to a thorny question: How prepared was the nation today to pay all its future bills? Two government experts worked for months to calculate the answer. Their findings, which shocked even them, were never published—the Bush administration made sure of that. The reason for the silence was that by the time the two researchers had completed their study, O'Neill had been thrown out of the Treasury and replaced by the more politically astute John Snow. No savvy administration power player would dare point out, right in the middle of tax-cut season, that there was a huge hole in the country's finances—a $44 trillion hole.

That's the kind of Washington tactic that makes Larry Kotlikoff angry. So angry, in fact, that the normally composed and carefully spoken academic starts ranting about a government conspiracy to keep us all in the dark. He even refers to this particular episode as "the great Treasury cover-up." And once you start Kotlikoff on the subject, it's hard to stop him. "I hate politicians," he says, without pausing for breath. "These people are so... Continue

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,538789,00.html

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another review

White House Shelved 44 Trillion Deficit Report?
By Peronet Despeignes of the Financial Times
May 30, 2003, 10:21



Thursday 29 May 2003

Study commissioned by O’Neill sees $44 trillion in red ink

The Bush administration has shelved a report commissioned by the Treasury that shows the U.S. currently faces a future of chronic federal budget deficits totaling at least $44 trillion in current U.S. dollars.

The study, the most comprehensive assessment of how the U.S. government is at risk of being overwhelmed by the “baby boom” generation’s future healthcare and retirement costs, was commissioned by then-Treasury secretary Paul O’Neill.

But the Bush administration chose to keep the findings out of the annual budget report for fiscal year 2004, published in February, as the White House campaigned for a tax-cut package that critics claim will expand future deficits.

The study asserts that sharp tax increases, massive spending cuts or a painful mix of both are unavoidable if the U.S. is to meet benefit promises to future generations. It estimates that closing the gap would require the equivalent of an immediate and permanent 66 percent across-the-board income tax increase.

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http://www.chewinthefat.com/artman/publish/article_271.shtml
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AND the actual Federal Reserve Report Documenting the $44 Trillion!

http://www.ngiweb.com/FiscalReport.pdf

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This is a "ticking timebomb" that our government is avoiding. I listened to a one hour review of this issue today on the Financialsence.com saturday interview take a listen:

http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm (the interview with Laurence Kotlikoff)

[Mari333]

20. Oh gads how lame is that

ad hominems are so trite..if CNN would ever report the real truths and stop being shills for the Bush * administration we might not have almost 500 dead kids in Iraq for OIL and GREED
There is no liberal media.
Now, slink away.

[madaboutharry]

42. I agree.

I have felt from the beginning that "the media" and the shills that work across the television channels all have blood on their hands.

[wtmusic]

23. Welcome to DU! Bye!

:toast:

[Mari333]

26. nothing more tiresome then armchair warmongerers

while my stepson is in Iraq, they sit on their arse and scratch it in their Lazy Boys, ordering pizzas and treating people like so much shite to murder in the name of their Emperor Bush
The Blood is on THEIR hands.

[wtmusic]

29. Where is your stepson?

I have a niece working at the mortuary at Baghdad airport. She's been very busy...

[Mari333]

53. We dont know yet he just got shipped out

waiting for his Iraqui Freedom orders to kick in at the Fort he is at...we got them on Xmas Eve...yep, the orders read Iraqi Freedom..
How nauseating.
The army is shuffling people all over the place and not telling the families a goddamned thing.

[Leilani]

34. Armchair warmongers & neocon chickenhawks

I hope your stepson gets home safely.

[CityZen-X]

28. Alas One Of The Flies

who has buzzed over to defend his Lord of the Lies!!!

[wtmusic]

21. This sounds like Cheney's Energy Task Force

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.b_PR.shtml

Been out for a while, but the publicity never hurts.

[leftchick]

44. cheney's energy papers...

Probably some of the first documents of the misadministration that contain the plans for Iraqi oil. Remember how there are maps in there of Iraqs oil fields? This ties in quite nicely and add fuel to get them released and him investigated for treason....

[Cory]

45. Those are the docs

The documents in the link you provided are from the Energy Task Force. One document, Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts, was specifically referenced by O'Neill in the drudgereport. They are dated March 01.

Someone should get these to 60 minutes in order to tie them together. The docs back up what he is saying.

Unfortunately, those docs were buried the day they were released and never received the attention they should have.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. "1st 3 months in 2001" leaves plenty of time to prepare for Perle's.....

"another Pearl Harbor attack" of 9/11....these bastards need to be hung or beheaded!!!!

[liberalmuse]

37. For all the planning they did...

I mean, years and years of it, they sure did a horrendous job, didn't they? Then again, who cares about the loss of human life in soldiers and civilians, and the chaos they've heaped on a small, defensless nation? They got their big money contracts and some of their oil. This is the most evil, albeit incompetent administration in U.S. history. I don't want impeachment. I want them out of power, and rotting in prison.

[cthrumatrix]

59. i would like to see the "web of deceipt" over america ...placed by the

media, corporations and politicians -- LIFTED

[ignatius]

43. Jesus, this is huge. Documents..we have proof..me thinks Mr.

O'Neill better watch his back..Remember Rummy with his comments after 9-11, to bring them all in..The PNAC jig is up.

The immigration ploy, the space "vision" and the reinvented "man of peace" is all a desperate attempt at this point to hide their crimes.

This needs to be printed and put in your offices, bookstores, laundrymats, wherever people gather.

They lied, our children died!!!!!

[cthrumatrix]

46. If O"neill's outing downs shrub and saves lives- he's man of the year

this takes alot of courage.

And Paul Wellstone would be proud of him.

[patricia92243]

47. Reason for impeachment - yes. Will Bush be impeached - no. He is a Repub

If he would not be allowed to run for four more years by the powers that be in the Pub party, I would be happy. But even this small "slap on the wrist" will never happen.

[cthrumatrix]

49. This will damage "all repugs" if they don't --- people have died

and "america" will not be lied to with their sons/daughters lives.

[young_at_heart]

50. Maybe there are a few decent Republican leaders?

Surely not ALL of them are doormats. Will do the right thing? This "evil" group is bankrupting our nation faster than any other and some of the Republicans must not be happy!

[Unknown Known]

48. It's the media, people. They have total control of it.

This information will not get out and the American people are still under the delusion that everything is OK. People like Tweety who get the airtime are calling Perle "charming".

If O'Neil does get a chance to speak in the media, BushCo/media will portray him as a disgruntled employee.

[cthrumatrix]

51. 60 Minutes, A Book, Dean/Clark , a year, and he is alive ...there is

no way....

He wants the truth to come forward...

[Leilani]

55. "Charming" Perle

I saw that on Hardball & almost got sick.

Matthews knows all the dirty stuff that has gone on, & he calls Perle charming?

I used to like Matthews, but I've lost all respect for him.

[ecstatic]

52. Why isn't the media RUNNING with this story?

The American TV media DISGUSTS me!!!!

[cthrumatrix]

54. They are scared "shitless"....they are involved... the people know

how they covered only the WH version...here on DU we talked about this daily.

The movie "Iraq Uncovered" had 20+ experts sharing the truth....they have to be scrambling .

[cthrumatrix]

60. Do you think Hans Blix has a few thoughts - Russians, French Germans?

[imhotep]

61. democrats are afraid of their own shadow

maybe 3 or 4 Dems would vote to impeach.
The rest would let Bush do absolutely anything and get away with it.

[cthrumatrix]

62. this would be telling... then you can make a case the DLC should be

gone..and start with some politicians who will stand up for families that lost lives beause of this deception played on America.

[Terwilliger]

67. Yes, he can get away with it

look what he's gotten away with already! O'Neill offers nothing new...we all knew he was trying to manufacture the Iraq war.

[cthrumatrix]

68. not when you have somebody who says you were planning the whole

time....and the facts have proven to be "lies"...and the "motive" for the lies has now been exposed.

He took an oath before taking office...I think "lying and deceiving" are grounds for impeachment -- as they did with Clinton

[Terwilliger]

71. nope

he's been lying and deceiving with proof for years and nobody gives a shit

the SOTU 16 words lie should have been impeachable...nobody did anything about it

[Hell Hath No Fury]

75. This difference here, Terwill...

is that O'Neill and the OTHERS (remember, he wasn't the only source who came forward with the story and documents) is that they are on Bush's side of the fence.

Dems have screamed for years about this bullshit but it could be dismissed with the phrase "They are playing politics".

But this. This IS different. With the politics card unavailable they pull the "he's a wack job" card, but I don't think it's going to stick.

[gristy]

69. The next two days will tell

It's all going to get layed out tomorrow starting with the morning news show spin, then the blockbuster Sunday evening on CBS. Will the story hit the front pages tomorrow or Monday? I think both days. With O'Neill's damning revelations on 60 Minutes, the public's gonna want some answers. O'Neill and Suskind will be giving plenty of interviews with the media next week. This ain't gonna get smothered in any spidey hole. I hope...

[cthrumatrix]

70. how can it be.....Dean and Clark were right and will use this all year.

[gristy]

72. The thread in freeperland on this subject was locked.

Man,the truth hurts sometimes, huh...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055364/posts

[scottcsmith]

76. This actually is old news

The book "Weapons of Mass Deception" covered this subject. Of course it escaped the "liberal" media's attention entirely.