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losthope Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 12:44 PM
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Bush and Space
NASA does a lot of scientific investigations of the Earth's environment. I feel that the Bush proposal is a scam, It will look good politically for him for the public would believe that he has any interest in space exploration but most of all the program would drain the resources and the funds of NASA and thus terminate any further studies into the damage that we are doing to the environment.
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Pegleg Thd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 12:48 PM
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1. The only space bushco has any interest in
is the empty one between his ears.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 12:50 PM
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2. Sadly, I think you have an excellent point
In this UPI article, they save the big news for the very last paragraph:

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040107-123930-1532r


Sources said Bush will direct NASA to scale back or scrap all existing programs that do not support the new effort.


"Scale back or scrap" !?

That is very bad news for the many real science programs NASA supports.

:grr:

--Peter
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:36 PM
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10. grr is right
btw, do you know what ever happened to Gore Sat? I recall reading that it was put on ice or something. Did that get totally scrapped?

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 12:58 PM
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3. Maybe someone can talk him into a photo op.....
from Mars!
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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:01 PM
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4. we can better position our missles for an attack on venus from there
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:04 PM
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5. It's a typical bs Rovian pander for the votes of one issue science
fetishists.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:06 PM
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7. Not science fetishists, but 'space fetishists'
There is a big difference. It's looking like this project will be used as an excuse to decimate NASA's budget for real science.

See the article I quoted in post #2 above.

:-(

--Peter
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:53 PM
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12. Yeah, my mistake.
Luckily, this is no more than the crassest of campaign lies.
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Danocrat Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:05 PM
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6. Not to worry
They can't even find the air leak on the Space Station that's causing it to depressurize. Once it comes crashing to earth there will be no more talk of missions to the moon and Mars.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:10 PM
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8. Smirk's plan is to dismantle everything but the mission.
He will cancel all international cooperative space programs like the ISS and will militarize NASA and the base on the moon will be headed by the Pentagon.

It is disgusting and he needs to be stopped. We do not own the Moon. I swear I hope China gets there first with international help. It is fast becoming the US against the entire rest of the world. We will lose.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:15 PM
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9. All of the super wealthy need a place to go once they have totally
devasted the planet Earth. Dontcha get it? Strip the earth of all her resources, pollute for profit and then get the hell out. Makes perfect sense to me.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:57 PM
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13. It's no joke!
I saw a special edition Life magazine a few years ago about a 300 year long plan that would make Mars habitable. They would build these factories that emit greenhouse gases that would some how make it support an atmosphere.

At the present rate, though, I don't think we have 300 years...
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:49 PM
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11. Whoring out NASA for a re-election ploy
First it is this odd immigration plan, then this space mission. Will this BADministration stop at nothing? Are the true sheeple out there really so dense as to see in this ploy only a shiny new trip to space? Who's going to pay for this? We still have BushCo's oil romp in Iraq to pay for! Somebody pinch me I am having a nightmare.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 02:06 PM
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14. On another thread
another poster summed it up well. There are 2 reasons for this.

1. It give Bush a "vision" and makes him appear "Kennedy-esque".

2. It allows them to start the militarization of space, witht he orbiting weapon's platforms to "hold the world hostile" like PNAC's been wanting.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 02:38 PM
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15. "It allows them to start the militarization of space"
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 02:49 PM
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16. if anyone ever saw the movie Gladiator
Bush is like the emperor having the never ending gladiator events. Distract the masses and you can do what you please.

I doubt thats the real reaason, but a possiblity. What is more likely is that Bush, not understanding that the country really does need money, thinks exploring space is neat. He enjoyed the pictures of Mars and wants to see more.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 03:16 PM
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17. Bush knows nothing
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 08:23 AM by Skinner
outside of what he is fed by the military industrial warriors who infect almost every executive post in this administration.

A senior U.S. military officer warned in October of this year that, "Space may become a war zone in the not-too-distant future," in an apparent reaction to China becoming the third country besides the U.S. and Russia to put a man in space.

"In my view it will not be long before space becomes a battleground," Lieutenant General Edward Anderson, Deputy Commander, United States Northern Command, and Vice Commander, U.S. Element, North American Aerospace Defense Command, said at a geospatial intelligence conference in New Orleans.

"Our military forces depend very, very heavily on space capabilities, and so that is a statement of the obvious to our potential threat, whoever that may be," he said.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:23 PM
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18. repost
The items edited were of my own construction. They were however, compiled from widely dissiminated works. How do you determine who owns something someone says at a public event which is widely reported on?

The quotes deleted, although widely disseminated, were presented in my own construction. Do I have to prove my source to use the quotes? Ridiculous.

Does the first person to publish the quotes have permanent domain over their dissimination? I can't imagine such a thing.

Here is the meat of my post:

Lockheed and possibly Raytheon stands to receive the lion's share of future space contracts because of Boeing's suspension for spying on Lockheed.

With the new money appropriated for homeland defense ($38 billion for FY 2003), virtually all of the big defense contractors — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Raytheon have started hawking their products for use in domestic security.

With a share of 24% of U.S. arms exports, Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest arms exporting company. Lockheed leads the pack of defense contractors who do business with the U.S. with valuable Pentagon contracts worth a total of nearly $30 billion and an advertised $70 billion backlog.

A World Policy Institute review found that 32 major policy makers in the current administration have significant ties to the arms industry now, and prior to joining the administration.

-Rumsfeld was chosen as defense chief to usher in the next cash cow for the military industry: Space-Based Weaponry. He chaired the Rumsfeld Commission a.k.a.: "Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States" Wolfowitz was on the board, and Iraq reconstruction's Gen. Jay Garner was there too.

-Peter B. Teets, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force, is the former president and chief operating officer of Lockheed Martin who retired from the company in late 1999.

Teets now serves as the director of the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) 65, Undersecretary of the Air Force, and chief procurement officer for all of military space, controlling a budget in excess of $65 billion, a figure that includes $8 billion a year for missile defense and $7 billion annually for NRO spying.

To date it is believed that the NRO has provided more than $500 million each to Lockheed-Martin and Boeing. "A key player in supplying revolutionary breakthrough technology has been, and will continue to be, the National Reconnaissance Office," Teets said February in a Pentagon briefing.

As reported by Karl Grossman of the Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, Stephen Hadley told an Air Force Association Convention in a speech September 11, 2000, "Space is going to be important. It has a great feature in the military."

-Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of DOD, and former assistant to Dick Cheney, was a Northrop-Grumman consultant.
Wolfowitz, along with Condi Rice and Richard Perle, and others, formed the Bush campaign foreign policy and national security team with others, which Ms. Rice named "The Vulcans," after a statue of the Roman god in Rice's hometown.

Wolfowitz is a longtime member of the PNAC, and a veteran of both the Reagan and Bush I administrations.

-Colin Powell, owned more than $1 million in General Dynamics stock before joining the administration.

-Gordon England, Secretary of the Navy was a General Dynamics contractor and a former president of Lockheed.

- Undersecretary of Defense Michael Wynne, was Senior Vice President for International Planning and Development at General Dynamics before joining the administration.

- Richard Perle, White House Defense Policy Advisor, worked for Trireme, a company of which he is a managing partner, involved in security and military technologies, and agreed to work as a paid lobbyist for Global Crossing, a telecommunications giant seeking a major Pentagon contract.

Perle accepted an offer from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to chair the Defense Policy Board, which is a Defense Department advisory group composed primarily of former government officials, retired military officers, and academics. Its members include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the Pentagon to review and assess the country's strategic defense policies.

Perle now serves as a director of the Autonomy Corporation, a British firm that recently won a major federal contract in homeland security.

-Karl Rove, Senior Advisor to the President is a Boeing shareholder.

-Michael Jackson, Deputy Secretary of Transportation is the former Vice President, Former CEO of Lockheed Information and Management Services and a shareholder.

-Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation is a former Vice President, shareholder of Lockheed, who fell out of Congress and into Lockheed's financial cradle.

-Otto Reich, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin America was a paid consultant for Lockheed when the company was seeking a reversal of the U.S. ban on the sale of high tech weapons to Latin America.

-James G. Roche, Secretary of the Air Force is a former president of Northrop-Grumman, a subsidiary of Lockheed. "We have encouraged and exploited the rapid advancement and employment of innovative technologies and have taken significant action to implement the findings of the Space Commission in our new role as the executive agent for space," he said to a Senate committee in 2002.

-Dov Zakheim - Under Secretary for Comptroller of Defense was a paid advisory board member of Northrup-Grumman.

-Nelson F. Gibbs, Air Force; Assistant Secretary for Installations, Environment and Logistics is a former corporate comptroller for Northrop-Grumman.

-Sean O'Keefe, NASA Administrator was on a paid advisory board of Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon.

-I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs was a Northrup-Grumman consultant.

-Retired general Jay Garner, who served briefly as the administrator for postwar Iraq, is the President of SYColeman Corp., which is owned by L-3, one of Lockheed-Martin's communications technology units.

In their new positions, these military industrial warriors are well-positioned to make decisions on procurement and research programs that will directly or indirectly benefit their former employer (Lockheed),which has major portfolios in nuclear weapons, missile defense, and military space systems.

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