Ladies and Gentlemen, the tide has turned

[Must_B_Free]

I am on the O'niell story message board on yahoo and there are NO Bush supporters to be seen.

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=l&board=37138469&tid=nmpeopleoneilldc&sid=37138469&mid=3911

Maybe the paid propagandists haven't been given any spin yet, but it sure feels like the tide has turned. Usually in this situation they would at least be posting immature profane babble to try to drive the liberal posts off the current message page, but they aren't even doing that. Plus there are a ton of people posting indictments of Bush and getting massive reccomendation counts.

All we saw in defense from the Bushes was the little irrelevant blurb about ancient chemical weapons that were probably provided by US. What a pathetic counter defense. Seems like they are all out of "Aces in the hole".

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. If Bush goes down, it will take courageous people like O'Neill to do it

Alexander Butterfield, a Nixon aide, was the one to spill the beans about the taping system, which led to Nixon's downfall.

It will take Republicans like O'Neill, who have credibility with the the conservative element, to break through the wall of lies that surrounds Bush and his co-conspirators.

[Timefortruth]

2. By tomorrow the plans O'Neil talks about will be described as nothing

more then a continuation of a Clinton policy. O'Neil will be a lying, senile, communistic pedophile who was fired for stealing the paper from the copy room. There will be no bottom to the politics of personal destruction in O'Neil's case and the media will report it all as fact.

[annagull]

4. Yeah, but O'Neil has an ace: documentation

From what I understand, he turned over email and memos to Susskind who wrote the book. It would truly be interesting to see how they spin their own words.

[Timefortruth]

21. There has been documentation all along, and it didn't raise any

eyebrows. This is no different.

[regnaD kciN]

29. That's the biggest problem...

People care so little for politics that they will ignore anything the media doesn't describe as a Big Deal (you know, like getting oral sex from an intern). And I've seen no evidence that the media is going to get worked up about anything that detracts from the approved party line of The Bush March To Victory In 2004.

:-(

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Yes the tipping pont has been reached

you are correct... O'Neil is the John Dean of our generation

[dae]

5. That's a Hell of a lot of pissed off posters hammering Bush, thanks.

[cliss]

6. I sincerely hope so.

Someone asked Scott McClellan about O'Neill's new book, and he said, "I don't do book reviews". Not much of a defense, is it?

I really don't think they can do or say that much. Other than to privately consider causing an "accident" to happen to O'Neill.

What can they say? My personal feeling is, will this be the straw that broke the camel's back? How much is it going to take to turn the tide on these bastards? I keep waiting....

SO many things have happened. The war in Iraq. Enron. The tax cuts. The pension funds scandals. Halliburton. The world in general, and what it thinks of us. The dollar going down the toilet. Rove, Bushco and BFEE. The Plame incident and the Niger uranium scandal.

Let's hope that you're right, MBF. Let the tide turn.

[DrBB]

10. Same defense they've always had

It's not a question of having an actual rational argument or evidence against these things. It's a matter of maintaining their smarmy, nothing-touches-us attitude. Pretty much all they've ever had was smirking denial. And it has worked just fine for 'em so far.

[SpiralHawk]

39. Not a back-breaking "straw -- but a Major Burden

because it has CREDIBILITY -- and BushCo itself is continuing to lose CREDIBILITY.

Remember that O'Neill's book is hitting the shelves at the same time as the Bush Dynasty book written by R. commentator Keven Philips. This is another blockbuster

Many journalists -- and other influential people -- will read both books (or at least read about them). Together, they will carry WEIGHT and open a lot of eyes.

But I think we are going to have to wait a while longer for the "straw" that will break the back of the BushCo camel.

[ochazuke]

7. Ladies and Gentlemen, if you listen closely,

you will hear the ever-so-sweet and delicate sound of a gently collapsing house of cards.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

8. If there's documentation, it could be trouble.

If it's only O'Neill's word, the strategy will be to ignore. Here's a repub. talking point: The secretary left because he disagreed with the president on tax cuts. Looking at how the economy has come roaring back, thanks to those same tax cuts, you can see why the secretary is smarting. The president was right and the secretary was wrong. This is, wuite simply, why he was fired. This is just a case of sour grapes. The secretary was and is a little embarrassed about being fired. That doesn't happen very often to CEOs. We would hope that he'd act a little more professional about it.

But, man, if he has the documented goods on them . . . If not, you know the role the press will play: scratch my belly, can I get your slippers, you're the best, W. Say my nickname again so my kids can hear it.

[LunaC]

37. Documentation is all over the place

What's more important is that an "Insider" is FINALLY coming forth with the Truth. O'Neill helps move it away from the realm of "lunatic conspiracy theorists from the internet" and gives it the credibility Middle 'Merica requires to gain its attention.

Oh, yeah.....documentation......

THE WHISPERING CAMPAIGN

CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE - A "Whispering Campaign" Refresher Course

[dawgman]

9. Not to be a downer, but how many times have we said this?

I mean we have pronounced doom and gloom for every scandal that has hit since 2002. This admin. is like teflon and the people of this nation just DON'T care about anything but $29 dvd players at wal-mart. We are apathetic, lazy and uninvolved. People won't even know this happened in about 2 weeks.

[tridim]

11. Teflon gives off poisonous fumes if heated

over 400 degrees, O'Niell's got the stove turned up to 1000. I don't think the media can afford to ignore this one.

[dawgman]

13. God I hope not but I remain skeptical

[kath]

16. Not to be a downer, but how many times have we said this?

You took the words right out of my mouth (or should that be "off my keyboard" ;-) ) dawgman!

[Printer70]

34. 1,000,000 times

At my last count. Let's be serious. No one will consider this as anything more than the feeble attempt at payback by a bitter old man. We need issues- big issues like "healthcare for the people" that will show America that we're on their side.

[DrWeird]

18. Funny thing about tides.

They tend to turn on a pretty regular basis. But it only takes one to wash the boat up on the rocks.

[Timefortruth]

22. It is truly the triumph of hope over experience.

But not everyone should be a pessimist, right?

[kentuck]

12. They've all been on Xmas vacation...

and it's difficult for them to keep all their lies together when they're not all in Washington. They should be back together soon.

[stevedeshazer]

20. *ding*

Give it a week, maybe ten days. The liars will all on be the same page.

Next!

[DemoTex]

14. O'Neill is important, but he is not the linchpin.

As I said on the Guy James Show earlier today, we need one more Bushite to come out of the woodwork with dirt. If the Bu$h regime is as dirty as we think, we will get that second squealer sooner, rather than later. The rats-off-the-sinking-ship effect.

[tridim]

15. Would Powell do?

The guy did have a semi-conscience in the past. He probably has enough general credibility to make an impact.

[Poiuyt]

17. I don't think so.

Powell is a loyal soldier. Even if he doesn't agree with bush, I don't think he would turn on him.

[Skittles]

26. LOL.........................POWELL

HE IS WHORE TO THE CORE

[Tansy_Gold]

36. And that is why. . . . .

. . . .IF Powell were to turn -- and I think it's a huge "if" because he does seem to have securely fastened his lips to the repuke d*** -- but IF he were to turn, I think that would be a serious blow to the regime.

D'Iulio's tell-all to Esquire didn't amount to much because he was a Dem to begin with and therefore easily discounted. O'Neill was fired, and easily discounted as bitter and pissed off.

But if Powell quits and talks, that might mean something. If he gets fired and THEN talks, it won't matter.

[Jackpine Radical]

27. Powell? A conscience?

My Lai coverup.
That's just a start.

[kentuck]

19. Who was the big guy they let go from the economic team ?

I think his name was Larry Lindsey.

[Marlie]

24. I remember

Right after Bush "took" office, all the yahoo boards discussing
politics were so depressing. The liberals were outnumbered like
ninety to one and completely inundated with pro Bushies. I've
noticed the last six months or so, things have changed drastically.
There are a lot of angry people out there now - if the message
boards are any indication of how the people really feel, Bush will
go down - with an honest election that is.

[TacticalPeek]

23. Its damn sure another ratchetclick toward the tipping point

Its clear that the media decision-makers have been reluctant to play any part in exposing our tin-horn Emperor's lack of clothes and general wretchedness.

Equally plain is the see-no-evil strategy of the controllers of our Congress' agenda.

But...

we are coming near the tipping point when the glass seen now as half-full will be seen as half-empty. We may not reach that point, but we are getting mighty close. And if we reach it, and it tips, it could be like a dam bursting.

If the Emperor-in-chief's fine rainments are finally seen as fiction, a big lie, then worship will change to disgust. The storm of attack will be far stronger than any political defence the treasonous bastards mount. If that happens, the history of these times will make Nixon look like a decent president with minor staff problems.

[tibbiit]

25. O'neil gives credence to the idea

That they really were carving up iraq in cheney's supper secret energy meetings!
(of course we always figured this to be true:)
tib

[Jackpine Radical]

28. Wow, holy cow.

I wouldn't have believed that thread if I hadn't seen it woth my own three eyes.

Edited to add the comment I posted on the Yahoo thread:

"The people responding here seem to be about equally divided between those who recognized the sarcasm of the original post and those who missed it. I don't really care about that; however, you wouldn't believe how happy I am to see the obvious fact that, whether they caught the sarcasm or not, EVERYBODY here seems to "get it" about how dangerous the Little Dictator is, and how likely he is to do whatever it takes to perpetuate his evil regime beyond the next election. Thanks and kudos to you all for helping to restore my faith in the intelligence and insight of the people (despite the best efforts of the organized major media to keep us all brainwashed)."

[Cat Atomic]

30. Wow, didn't take much to convince 'em, eh?

/sarcasm

The fraudulent war didn't do it. The missing WMD's didn't do it. Or the environmental scams. Or the gutting of civil rights. The outed CIA agent didn't even scratch the surface. Nor did the tax cuts for the rich.

But you start letting them "Messicans" in, and you've got a bunch of pissed off conservatives.

[priller]

33. You never know what it will be

That's why you just gotta keep pounding away, because different things will set off different people. Bush's policies are so offensive, he's bound to piss off most people, if they just know about it.

For my parents, the recent revelations on 60 Minutes II about the dropout rate and test score scams going on really opened their eyes. They're both retired teachers.

[cryofan]

31. paid propagandists in online forums

I am glad to see that I am not the only one who thinks that there are indeed paid propagandists in online forums. With the amount of money they spend to spread propaganda all over world, and manipulate and influence other countries, I am sure they have some online here at DU.

[Junkdrawer]

32. I remember when they showed up...

It freaked a lot of people out and some left for good.

[Lindsey]

35. dawgman...unfortunately I feel the same way you do...

Jesus! So many times major stories have broken and they last for a couple of days and they're gone - the whole thing has me so freaked out I feel like I'm in some kind of parallel universe - down is up, up is down, in is out, out is in and so on. On the story postings, there is a lot of criticism of * and what's going on. Someone said that on the PNAC website it's discussed that a catastrophic event (apparently this was way before 9/11) would need to occur to get Amercians to buy into the invasion. Will average Americans EVER care? Will the media EVER speak the truth. I bet that even if they had planning 9/11 on tape - the spin would be that it wasn't really "their voices."

[Killarney]

38. This makes me very happy

People are waking up!

[PATRICK]

40. The dammed tide

We all talk about the GOP noise machine that can create chaos out of nothing. The corollary to attack mode is stony, studied, persistent silence with a squeak and tweak of spin to calm the nervous.

David Brooks. They could afford to be silent since the naturally conservative and snide Brooks despite his contritional dumping has no psychological makeup to do anything except serve the "cause". If he was to include rants against the "bad stuff" in each of his smooth slurs against Democrats he would be lucky just to be out of a job.

Kevin Phillips. Weighty. Interviewed. Ignored. Because, again, when his just ire settles down, he does not support the adversaries of the new status quo. With a little silence, that is damage control enough.

Palast. Moore, even Nader. Placed on a fringe, scorned from afar, trivialized.

The GOP noise machine keeps pro regime propaganda- devoid of embarrassing reality checks, on a par with Kobe Bryant and the stock market bubble(as long as it inflates).

Is hope the quiet fool? The Iraqis who had no choice but to await the bombs preferred random chance killing to certain death under Hussein. What is the American excuse other than exponentially greater cowardice, apathy and self-interest? Down deep , even the rabid know what is wrong. Even Preacher Mammon, the chickenhawk Robertson, as much as admits that W's money has bought him a giant Plenary Indulgence from Johannes Tetzel. (A plenary indulgence, in fair keeping with the logic of right wing mammon-power hierarchies, means you can avoid responsibility for your actions by tapping into the sufferings of better people(martyrs), safely dead heroic people.)
Tetzel was the free market enthusiast who went too far at the wrong time in hawking the dregs of this system to the poor, an insulting absurdity turned in upon itself.

Bush has the best democracy money can buy. If we want the actual thing we have to loudly and persistently act democratic, raise our voices and push off this tyranny, this monkey on our backs, from below. Are we waiting for all his instruments to turn virtuous or sensible? The descent into madness only increases as more truth comes out and is so easily suppressed. By the time the leaven of truth rises, the loaf will be burned. Witness the extreme difficulty of fixing the obvious BBV fraud by which entire states normally in contention might at this moment be written off.

if only the Democrats were more professional, the semi-slick fraud of these hucksters could be countered. Instead we have informed people, stunned with disbelief at the audacity and destructiveness trying to conduct a thousand guerrilla wars against third rate, discredited by facts, propaganda for profit.

Silence is also golden for the noise machine, and yes, they can snugly vacation if the Party is effectively out to lunch in the dissemination of dissent. If we are waiting for real disaster to take decision making out of our hands, we can just go about our business like the residents of Baghdad- and wait for the bombs.

In fact, it is the repeated lack of a major terrorist attack that is emboldening an overdue look at the Emperor's new clothes. A look, but not a serious challenge yet.

[Mari333]

41. Top story on CBS news today

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml

the key issue is, will it reach the US public, and will they come out of their fog and cognitive dissonance to wrap their minds around the truth? That almost 500 soldiers are dead for this insane policy, that thousands and thousands are dead as civilians, that thousands are wounded and that the economy is destroyed because of it? Or, as John Dean put it, that the pResident has committed treason by outright misleading of the Congress ?
And will the Dems stand on the floor of the House and Senate and blast this administration????
When we yelled No Blood for Oil and we were not listened to, and we screamed to high heaven about this, are we now vindicated?
Does anyone in high office ever have justice served to them? Nixon resigned over a far far less offense, and Clinton was impeached over a BJ....
Something has GOT to give, someone has GOT to cave.
I would like to think the WH is vulnerable to the same Judicial Justice we all are in this nation.
Will the news whores ever turn on this and make it into news, or continue being screaming shrills for the *bush admin?