My RW nut brother claims we haven't lost or given up any

[mitchtv]

freedoms in the last 3 years, care to make him a lying puke?

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. Well, for him personally...nothing yet.

Its all personal for right wingers.

If it doesnt happen to them personally, it doesnt exist.

[Heritic]

2. Two words

two words: Guantanamo Bay

[david_vincent]

3. Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure

"Sneak and peek" raids clearly violate this principle.

[demconfive]

4. Turn him in to the authorities.

Send in an anonomous note saying he smells of goat cheese or some such nonsense. Then ask him to fly out to see you. When they tell him he's banned from flying and they won't tell him why, he'll get the message. The problem is that no one thinks it effects them until they kick in your door at 2 a.m., and then its too late.

[alcuno]

5. Tell that to Jose Padilla, a US born citizen.

Picked up at O'Hare, he has been held in a military brig for a year and a half with no charges against him and an attorney who has never seen or spoken with him. This was done by the POTUS who declared him to be the enemy.

Jose Padilla's right to be be charged and tried is no different from your brother's right. If we abandon Padilla's rights, then we abandon our own.

[Lars39]

6. Here's an overview of the changes to our civil rights.

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/WarOnTerror/LegalRights.asp

[alfredo]

9. That is over a year old.

Patriot Act II has been passed.

[Lars39]

10. *smacks forehead* You're right!

Ugh.

[Heritic]

7. And lets not forget

The few right wingers Ive talked to that are even aware that all this is going on believe that doing all this is 'morally correct'.

[Skittles]

8. yes

they say YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IF YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG. Didn't NAZIS say that too ???

[Nay]

11. Yes the Nazis did say this, and they were lying little

bastards, just like the Republicans. Hearing this same phrase out of my Repub co-workers makes me want to tear my hair out. What is the matter with these people??

[Jen]

12. The Patriot Act is Just An Extension Of The Drug Wars

The 1990's have been awful for privacy and freedom and the Patriot Act has just made things worse.

It must work since domestic terrorism is down, but personally I think it is too high of price to pay.

[Toots]

18. What "Domestic Terrorism" are you referring and down from ?

What numbers are people using to describe "Domestic Terrorism"? Are they using the people caught in Texas with the Chemical weapons and thousands of rounds of ammo and enough guns to equip a small army? How about the Anthrax mailer? How about Columbine? Was that "Domestic Terrorism"? Are you sure we are much safer from "Domestic Terrorism" now than say three years ago?

[NNN0LHI]

13. Pretty sure thats what the Jews in Germany were saying as Hitler...

...was rounding up the trade unionists. I am sure in the 1930's some of them were saying "well, I have not lost any of my rights so why should I worry".

Don

[ShimokitaJer]

16. Martin Niemöller quote

When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned.

[Individualist]

17. Not exactly

The correct Niemoller quote is as follows: In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

www.wisdomquotes.com

[ma4t]

14. actually, he's technically correct

We haven't lost any freedoms, nor have we given any up. They have been taken away from us.

[Toots]

15. Ask him if he has heard of or knows what's in the Patriot Act.

That question alone should suffice but if not ask him if he has ever heard of 1st Ammendment Zones.