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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:56 PM
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Should the Democratic nominee run ads on FAUX News?
as far as I'm concerned anyone who watches that dreck is a lost cause. So no.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:57 PM
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1. Absolutely.
It's bold and in your face. My dad has FAUX on all the time and he's no Republican. Will FAUX run them?
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:04 PM
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2. I doubt
that Fox would run the ads. (If they did they would only run them at 3 am.) Therefore attempting to buy time on Fox should be attempted because if Fox refuses the democrats can make an issue out of their bias.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:16 AM
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17. Ummm...
I think they have to run them. FCC rules.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:06 PM
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3. Yes
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 11:06 PM by La_Serpiente
We should be fighting where both the Republicans and Democrats are. Faux News is one of them. I don't want to be on the defensive, I want to be on the offensive.

However, we shouldn't pour all of our resources into that station.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:10 PM
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4. Yes. It's the only way to get coherent messages through to
a large segment of the population. If nothing else, imagine all the people who end up watching Fux because they don't have control over the tube. That can happen at airports, in gyms, lots of places. And visualize, if you will, a legion of battered, abused and intimidated people condemned to watch nothing but Fux by the angry, raging spouses who keep them trapped at home, pregnant & barefoot.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:10 PM
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5. of course!
What gets me all worked up about Faux is the fact that moderate, but politically unaware people will be fooled into thinking it's unbiased. I don't care about the committed rightwingers who watch it; they're a lost cause.

I think there are a lot of relatively centrist people watching Fux occasionally who would see a Dem ad and think, "maybe this guy has a point."

If we only stick to sufficiently left-leaning channels (whatever those may be) we run the risk of preaching to the choir.
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:15 PM
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6. NO WAY
If the dems had any balls (and Dennis K seems to be the only one who does), they wouldn't run any ads on FOX.

What better way to highlight the biased nature of Fox?

Why should the Dems throw money to Fox that Fox uses to go against Dems?

They ought to come out and just declare war on Fox and not give one cent to Fox. They'd get a lot of PR out of that, and a huge opportunity to highlight the biased nature of the station.

Why pay money to the enemy?
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LatteLib Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:56 PM
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12. Not only that but, it seems like I read somewhere
(I will have to do some research to see if this is correct) but, isn't faux the only network that is broadcast to our troops over in Iraq? If faux is all they are able to access and we don't run some ads on faux, they won't know where our candidate stands. They need a good dose of common sense from our side of the issues so they can make an informed vote and not the rote response that is expected of them. Another thought, if faux is all their only link to news from home, they couldn't possibly be aware of the policies that are so adversely affecting Americans right here in our own country and what they will be facing when they return home such as the way they will be working overtime for the same amount of money they made when they worked a 40 hour week before they left, their commander in chief's big, bright idea to give amnesty to illegal aliens so the average workers wages can be lowered, how many of their jobs have and will be outsourced. So many things that a few of our political ads on faux may bring to their attention that the unfair and biased faux would never do on their own. I am not saying to squander the whole bankroll on faux but a few well placed ads probably wouldn't hurt.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 12:30 AM
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15. Yes, I just did a job at a big stock trading house
where the main big office floor, mostly staffed by the clerical folks, had a big TV hanging on the wall turned to Fox.

These people aren't necessarily repubs, a lot of working Moms and the like. Many Latinos (or latinas). A good audience for a Dem ad.

I felt really sorry for the poor slobs who were forced to watch this all day while they worked. What torture.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:18 PM
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7. Yes, absolutely, but not the same one as on the other channels
A bit more visual, with LOTS of bright colors and of course OODLES of American flags everywhere. And somewhere in the ad it is imperative that the candidate says "God Bless America" and "God Bless Our Troops." Maybe a faded image in the background of our troops praying, that would be great!

If the ad can be filmed in front of a big fat white high-spired Evangelical Church, so much the better.

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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:18 PM
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8. Of course! That's a no-brainer.
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:20 PM
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9. No
don't give them any money. Are you crazy?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:24 PM
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10. Only if
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 11:53 PM by BeFree
Only if they agreed to also run some free info-tainment which puts a good spin on Dems. If they want Dem money, they've got to be fair and balanced in their news also.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:50 PM
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11. No to Fox/Bush News
I've entirely quit watching Fox news. Hannity and O'Reilly are hateful and angry. Colmes is a joke as far as being a liberal. They've turned right-wing to the point democrats shouldn't give them a cent in revenue. They've become hard-core right. No democrats should even show up on their channel. They'ld dry up and blow away and good riddance to bad rubbish. If you have family watching them, I suggest you ask them to listen to all the channels and then make their own decision as to which is fair and balanced.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:59 PM
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13. My point
Is that the Faux news is now slanted, but if they want Dem money, they need to slant their news back toward fair. If they refused, then no, no advertising $ goes to them.

I liked the comment up-thread about praying soldiers and church spires. On certain channels those kind of ads would get more bang for the buck.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 12:16 AM
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14. they absolutely should run them on Pox
A lot of people who watch Pox don't know the truth, and if they did, they would be almost as angry as I am.

It depends on the ad. I think they would have to design an ad JUST for ignorant people who watch Fox because Fox seems to always have news on. MSNBC and CNN always run stupid fucking talk shows like Larry King or Matt Lauer. Ugh.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:55 AM
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16. dont support the bias
Its like financing your enemy.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:55 AM
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18. Good point.........
I'd even wonder if FOX would accept ads made by Dems.
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Printer70 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:07 AM
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19. YES- a lot of ordinary people watch it
FoxNews is now the #1 cable news station by far (nearly 50% more than CNN's viewership); it has more cumulative ratings points on news than the major networks. The simple fact is we can't afford not to participate. AS someone earlier said, we can't hope to convince the % of die-hard Cons that watch it but we can reach the ordinary folk who tune in. Whether we advertise or not, Fox will go on. I feel we can pick off some centrists if we target it.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:35 AM
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20. I saw a Clark ad on Fox last week
I suspect it was a local buy, though.

And keep in mind, in media, money rules over all. Even agenda.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:46 AM
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21. No. BUT.. we should fund a Libertarian group..
and run ads against Bush on Fox. Even if it takes 1 or 2% of the vote away from him, that just might be the margin of victory.
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