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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:55 PM
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NYTimes calls for investigation of Administration weapon claims..
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/11/opinion/11SUN1.html

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But last week three new reports cast further doubt on the administration's reckless rush to invade Iraq. Taken together, they paint a picture far different from the one presented to Americans early last year. They depict a world in which Saddam Hussein, though undeniably eager to make Iraq a threatening world power, was far from any serious steps to do that. The reports strengthen our conviction that whatever threat Iraq posed did not require an immediate invasion without international support. And they underline the importance of finding out how far the Bush administration's obsession with the Iraqi dictator warped the American intelligence reports that did so much to convince Congress and the public that the attack was justified.

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What emerges most forcefully from these reports is the need for two thorough inquiries. Even though members of the American search team in Iraq told Mr. Gellman they hold little prospect for major discoveries of forbidden weapons, the search must continue vigorously to a conclusion, preferably with the assistance of United Nations inspectors who have a huge database on Iraq and are more credible to much of the world. Back home, a nonpartisan investigation independent of political pressures from the administration and Congress is needed to get a better sense of how judgments about Iraq were so disastrously mistaken. Nothing can be fixed until we know for sure how it happened.



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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:55 AM
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1. amazing
...and I wonder why there aren't any comments on this thread?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:44 AM
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15. I say we just start by putting O'Neill in the spotlight for a week....THAT
is what is important.... deception and lies...hell they can plant weapons....let's not go there...
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:11 AM
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2. It's about freakin' time!
since Sy Hersh wrote about the lies leading up to the war, esp. the forged uranium documents, nearly a year ago...not to mention all the other problems leading to this invasion...

including and especially the entire "Team B" (is that Team Bullshit?) nutcases otherwise known as Cheney, Rummy, and Wolfie.

It's time a a little truth from this mis-administration.

Actually, it's time for a lot of truth, because they have lied and hid so much for so long.

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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:22 AM
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3. Ok, I'm giving this a kick
I'm kicking this because I cannot believe that people just don't care about this enough to reply.

Not only should this have over 100 replies, this should be a google bomb if at all possible. Anybody want to help me come up with a keyword?
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:31 AM
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4. Good. Now if we could get our congressman to stop wearing tutus. nt
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:38 AM
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6. Amen to that
Why aren't they raising a stink about this in the halls of Congress? If I were a Congressman, I would make this a freaking issue.

Show some . Ask some questions. And get the information out, because there are still quite a few things that we really need to know about.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:09 AM
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18. Wearing tutus
And they wonder why people are rooting for Dean..............
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:32 AM
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5. Hey, here's a thought-
Maybe they should talk to Judith Fucking Miller. For a publication that was so instrumental in spreading much of the disinformation, they sure act like they didn't play any part in the whole mess. There's enough guilt to go around, you hos.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:47 AM
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7. They should be calling for impeachment, not investigation.
AND THE NEW YORK TIMES BEARS A GREAT DEAL OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS WAR, TOO. They should institute some new procedures and features to control their whorish behavior or just put on some short skirts and stand out on the street and sell themselves instead of pretending to be journalists. (except for Krugman and a few others, of course)
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:01 AM
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13. I'm with you....
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 07:02 AM by theHandpuppet
Perhaps its time for the NYT to issue an apology for so willingly serving as a drummer boy for Dubya's army. I thought real journalists were supposed to ask the hard questions first. The calls now for an investigation sound more like a CYA move. They should be apologizing and demanding impeachment procedings!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:07 AM
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8. Well. We've only known this since FEBRUARY 2002!!!!!!!
How lazy and/or incompetent is our press? Holy Christ, talk about slowly thinking about locking that barn door after the whole damn herd has escaped.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:14 AM
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9. So they're a little late
They're asking the questions. Yes, they should have been asked earlier, but there's little we can do about that now. These questions are out, into the political mainstream, and now Bush, Inc. will be forced to deal with them one way or another, if we make a big deal out of it. And this very well may be the issue that decides the election.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:33 AM
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17. No shit!!
We have been harping about PNAC and the Straussian mindset of these crazies for years on here, add to that the thuggery of the stolen election of 2000 and the press has been sitting on their hands ..
This nightmare is more then I can bear much longer!!
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Printer70 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:55 AM
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10. Uh yeah...that's going to happen...
Ever since those memos by Democratic senators (Leahy) that they were going to misuse intelligence revealed by the 9/11 commission to score political points against Bush, the commission has been DEAD. And it won't be resusicated. Staffer in Leahy's office should be stamped with a "dunce" on his forehead- his ridiculous proposal has ended the pursuit of truth which the American people need and deserve.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:16 AM
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16. I don't think they were going to "misuse" intelligence....
It was an intraParty memo that assumed that the Repubs were not going to investigate 9/11 and they should be ready to use it themselves. As for political gain, hiding the facts of 9/11 is also for political gain. I think we may have bought into the Repub spin on this...
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:24 AM
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11. How in HELL did this get into the New York Times???
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:32 AM
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12. Way too little....way too late
The damned media wants it both ways.. Before the "war" they had ample time to hammer these same issues, yet they chose to go the other way.. They did precious little investigating.. They did little or no real investigating 9/11 or the bogus election.. They chose instead to follow the pack and write "cutesy" little stories to either make us chuckle or to bring a tear to the eye..

NOW... after almost 500 soldiers have died, and countless civilians have been killed, they suddenly decide to "investigate"??

Of course the "investigation" will go nowhere, because the "Primary season" is upon us, so the campaign shenanigans will soon grace the front pages..

If , by chance, something does emerge from their investigations, nothing will come of it, because it's TOO LATE.. We are there..we must stay there, no matter what it costs.. The only time to stop Bush was BEFORE the war.. The reason he blundered us into it at breakneck speed, was because he knew that once we were in it, there would be no stopping it.. We knew it at DU, millions of people all over the world knew it, but the major news venues, could not seem to figure it out??

Come on... That does not pass the smell test.:(
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:28 AM
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14. I call for an investigation into the NYT to determine why it sold out
to the WH, gave up its role as government watchdog, and became a huge supporter of the invasion....also, what was the name of that reporter....(Pam Miller?) also of the NYT who had "inside" information on WMD?

Lemme see...the columnist who wrote the op ed piece "Let's Just Give War A Chance"...that's right, Tom Friedman, another war chanting PNACer. Oh my, he's with the NYT too!!

What tripe and hypocrisy this article reeks of.
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