Come On DU. Show Your Love For Paul O'Neill!!

[Solomon]

It's about damn time someone has the balls to tell the truth. :loveya:

[ClintonTyree]

1. After tonight's airing of 60 minutes..............

you can bet that I and many other DU'ers will be writing CBS in support of this expose. I only hope that it gets the attention that it so richly deserves.

[w13rd0]

2. Actually, a couple others have tried as well...

...there was that one, that was involved with the "Faith-Based Boonswaggle"...

[revcarol]

3. I'll second that.

:yourock: Mr. O'Neill.

the Bushies kept saying that he was incompetent because Wall Street didn't trust him. Wall Street didn't trust him because he didn't bullshit us.

[Ksec]

4. My money says he takes it all back

Bash will make him an offer he cant refuse. Like he did with the commish of the 911 investigation.

[eileen from OH]

5. (His) book is already #7 on Amazon

And I hadn't heard about it till Friday.

I put the quotations marks around HIS as he really isn't the author.

But Some People are might interested in reading it.

eileen from OH

[Solomon]

7. Can]t wait to get my

copy. :evilgrin:

[renegade000]

25. #4 now it looks like

[IronLionZion]

38. #1 now the truth is out

rock on!

[monobrau]

6. This is a turning point for at least one hawk

Had and interesting exchange with a confirmed hawk on another forum today, who said this had pushed him into the democratic camp!
There were other things leading to this, primarily Bush's lies and broken promises, but he said that this was enough to push him over.
There are supporters of this war who support it because they were sold an imminent threat, but don't buy into invasion just because we feel like it. I think the best we can hope for with freepers is that some of them will stay home, but it looks like the more moderate hawks may be ready to cross over.
Considering the narrow margin in the last election, if we can just get a few to cross over and turn out the youth vote, it'll be a slam dunk.
Cheers, Mr. O'Neill!

[pacifictiger]

9. they've already started the discrediting

and the bait and switch distraction. Bob Novak this afternoon said, oh well what else do you expect from a disloyal team member who is really a democrat and who doesn't know anything, proved by the fact he was fired. And now the media is pumping up the decade old chemical cannisters found in northern iraq, trying to solidify the link in the minds of people just like they were fed the info that saddam was responsible for 911. Interesting timing on this "find".

[mouse7]

8. ALCOA is one of the worst corporate criminals in the world

I appreciate the statements of Paul O'Neill ion his new book. However, O'Neill has much to atone for before his presence is a welcome one.

[Elidor]

11. Thank you!

Never thought I'd see the day DUers would cheer the man who wants to abolish Social Security and Medicare. Yes, let's all show some love for a guy who said nothing until it came time to sell his book. What a hero he is. :puke:

[Solomon]

13. Maybe he's trying to atone for his sins.

Bush is abolishing social security and medicare anyway. If O'Neill winds up stopping him by pulling the straw that breaks the camel's back, then, hey, I'll take it.

[BiggJawn]

23. Right. He's not "one of US"....

Let's not go too far down this "The Greedy CEO who complains about Bush is my FRIEND" road.

I'll give him the benefit. Perhaps he's truly disgusted by what he saw and heard while he was there. It could be that he thinks that stuff he would do in ALCOA's boardroom has no place in our Government.

Or, since he's going back into the Private Sector, maybe he doesn't want the competitition from the Bush Famil Crime Syndicate...

I wanna see "60 Minutes" before I decide if he's in good aroma or not.

[hellhathnofury]

10. Dammit! I forgot about it. How? I have no idea.

[booley]

12. too bad

he couldn't have found his "courage" before thousands died and we got stuck in a quagmire.

People were waking up to the fact that Shrub and his fellow houseplants lied anyway. But now is to late to go back. I don't see how we can pull out of iraq without making things worse..or stay there without messing things up more as well.

having O'Niel confirm what we already knew on how we got in this catch 22 is hardly courageose...

[slor]

14. I agree...

he should have been singing this song BEFORE that idiot bush got this country into this mess. I am glad he is speaking out now, but the damage has been done and for that reason I will withhold showing "the love". He is now owning up to his patriotic duty, and we should expect nothing less from any of our government officials!

[Printer70]

16. Agreed- it's not courage, it's bitterness...

you hit the nail on the head. O'Neil's made one reckless comment after another, jolting the markets as Treasury Secretary. I questioned his sanity, to say nothing of his "intellect". And some courage spilling the beans on Iraq now after thousands have been killed needlessly. It's his feeble attempt at payback- he's stil a Con, he still believes in irresponsible tax cuts (maybe not as much as Bush). I found it humorous though that he was so desperate to be liked that he hung out with Bono as much as he could.

[otohara]

15. Bet He Won't Be Voting For The Appalling

Bush....that's a good thing I'm going to buy the book, nothing like a disgruntled employee to spill the beans -

[Solomon]

17. That]s what I say. These are always the

juiciest. :evilgrin:

[cyclezealot]

18. Courageous yes, Democrat values no.

He should be commended for his independence. When Bush selected O'Neill for Treasury he selected one of the most wealthy, influential businessman in the country. Recall his past interviews before goint to Treasury, he more than amply put himself as a gung ho privatizer and believer in one standing alone and a defuned government unable to assist its citizens.
We should commend him for his honesty but he is not one of us by a mile. I really doubt he had an ephany in Africa...It was a lark for a rich man out slumming it..

[Solomon]

19. Never said he was one of us. But you have to appreciate the

the power of one of "them" busting out on Bush as opposed to democrats (who just "hate" Bush) busting out.

I don't care why he did it. I like it.

[greekspeak]

20. I'll commend him for saying SOMETHING...ANYTHING...implicating

his former boss. But that is about it. I am not going to say he is courageous. We are finally going to hear some truth, and he is simply the mouthpiece. I am not going to be building any 30 foot O'Neill effigies in the yard.

[dansolo]

33. Anyone who stands up to the BFEE is courageous

Especially the ones who are the inside and know exactly how they operate.

[jobycom]

21. The last time we were so happy with O'Neil was when he was fired

Some turnaround, eh? An extremist, elitist, supply-sided hack reveals a few secrets, and that makes him a hero? Not to me. It makes him richer, and a best-selling author, and that's about it. We've all been here long enough to know that Bush has been accused of worse, by better people, with more evidence, and has suffered no consequences. We'd do better watching the playoffs and staying focused on the 2004 elections than casting our lots with another magic-wand-fix for getting rid of Bush. He won't be impeached, he won't be investigated, and the media will be on his side throughout November, and this time next month we'll barely remember Paul O'Neil's claims any more than we remember Joseph Wilson or the Niger Documents.

Paul O'Neil will just lead us to distraction and frustration, and ultimately, he has just helped Bush, because now when our candidate brings up that Bush was planning to invade Iraq before 9-11, people will say "old news," tune out, and think less of the candidate who raised the issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Rove was behind the book, it's so perfect for Bush.

Reminds me of Reagan (who, despite short-memoried American opinion, was as bad and probably worse than Bush). He skated on selling weapons to a nation that had declared war on us and diverting those funds to terrorists in Central America, who were killing American priests and nuns along with their other targets. Reagan was caught, investigated, and finished his term to have airports and boats named after him.

There will be a USS Bush, and a George W Bush airport, and a national monument, despite these claims, unless we beat him in November. And we won't beat him by chasing all these dirty little crimes, because people don't care. We'll beat him by pushing a positive message on the economy and the environment. Americans just don't give a damn about human life that isn't white and doesn't speak with an American accent, and no one will care that Bush is killing those who aren't and don't. They haven't yet, they won't ever.

[Solomon]

22. Not if there's a constant drip drip drip.

There's no one thing that will fell Bush. It's the accumulation of punches that will do it. Punches from democrats are like jabs, but punches from rws are like uppercuts and body blows.

[jobycom]

24. We can't count on that

Reagan had more scandals, more investigations, more indictments, more convictions in his administration than any other president, and he not only won reelection but got Bush Daddy elected, too. People don't care about details, they don't care about dirt. They assume it's just politics as usual, and that both sides are dirty. Most don't even hear the details, and of those who do, most don't understand them. Bush invaded Iraq, people waved flags and goose stepped behind him, and none of the details are going to matter one bit, or change one mind.

The Democrats will have to beat Bush, and they'll have to do it by presenting a better plan than his, and it won't matter how many drip drip drips drip on Bush. He's waterproof, the drips just roll off into the gutter and wash away.

What could kill him would be a current crisis. If Iraq drags on, if the body counts pile up, if people see no end in sight, they might vote for someone with a better plan-- if that someone articulates one, rather than just pointing out how bad Bush's plan is. But pointing out that the process of reaching a decision that most Americans agreed with won't even register a furrowed brow for most voters.

And we can be in the toilet economically, with soldiers dying by the dozens every week, with no end in sight, and we can have a terrorist wiping out an American target every month, and if our candidate just complains, and doesn't articulate a better plan, people will still elect Bush. I just hope our candidate figures that out. Motivating one's own party is not the same as convincing the majority of voters to choose him.

Sorry to sound negative. I've been watching these "Bush is going down this time" waves since Bush was appointed, and none of them--many worse than this one by far-- has even caused a dip in his numbers. They just distract us from what we need to do.

[populistmom]

26. Love?

I don't think the man's deserving of that by any means, but I do have an inkling more respect for him now that he had the gonads to be honest. Like a previous poster said, lots of things to atone for first.

[ComerPerro]

27. You nailed it

I respect him more, but lets not forget that he went along with this bullshit for quite some time.

[Cat Atomic]

29. I'm with you, populistmom. n/t

[cthrumatrix]

28. He is a hero...and many others....Scott Ritter stood up and told the

truth as well

[K8-EEE]

35. And Jessica Lynch

I noticed the media isn't talking her up too much any more!

[rumguy]

30. Thank you O'Neill you are a true American....

[Skittles]

31. YOU DON'T NEED BALLS TO TELL THE TRUTH

Soloman, PLEASE use a different expression. As for O'Neill, I just wish he would have talked sooner. Better late than never, I guess.

[MJG]

32. Keep in mind you also need to find a way to make people listen...

Telling the truth is important, but sometimes it can be useful to tell the truth at a specific time when it can hurt the most.

[funkyflathead]

34. O'Neil is a repuke liar

Trust nothing he says.

He is just mad for B*sh canning him.

[nomatrix]

36. Whaaatttt?

The meltdown we are in the midst of is happening. No joke.

Put it together with the Pentagon getting caught fudging the $$$$$ numbers. You know someone had to order them to do it, this isn't Enron. (like Fastow reaping his catch) I suspect he's (O'Neill) trying to protect himself as well.

I don't know if anyone watched the Rebublican version of Campaign 2004 (other white meat) Really difficult to sit through but some of the candidates had some valid numbers on the gov't budget. The non-neocons are really worried at how fast the $$$ are disappearing. Which included all social security.

On another note, long before they started to discuss going into Iraq in public, I remember Sen. John Warner getting on the floor of the Senate an speaking at this administration asking permission from congress to go (scolding them). He was really worried that they were going to just move from Afghanistan to Iraq without authorization from the people. Their sons and daughters, many troups, long commitment, yadda yadda.

He was scared. He's the chair of the Armed Forces and he was really worried. I looked for the transcripts in a Thomas search and there wasn't any. This is where to neocons are seperated from the Republicans. I could have handled John McCain as President.

[IronLionZion]

37. Is CBS liberal?

or do they just have a fetish for exposing bullshit? They made the Reagan miniseries and some other stuff right?

Go Paul for having balls and go CBS for not being whores!