TIME - O'neill has "minute by minute conversations, 19,000 pages CD"

[cthrumatrix]

Do we here the media say "let's look at the data, the memo's ...there's alot of data...he's on the inside.

Nope --- let's smear and discredit a man who refuses to lie and stands up for the son and daughters of American's whose lives are at risk.

It's ok to lie to the people and your son/daughter may lose their life. But it's not ok to "stand up for truth".

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"Suskind had access not only to O'Neill but also to the saddlebags he took with him when he left town, which included a minute-by-minute accounting of his 23 months in office and 19,000 pages of documents on CD-ROM."
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040119-574809,00.html

[La_Serpiente]

1. He was even a part of the Cheney Energy Task Force

maybe he has some info on that. Perhaps there were oil maps or something.

[cthrumatrix]

Hmmmm --- it seems he does -- quotes of oil, contractors and countries!

"There are memos," Suskind tells Stahl, "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'" A Pentagon document, says Suskind, titled "Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts," outlines areas of oil exploration. "It talks about contractors around the world from...30, 40 countries and which ones have what intentions on oil in Iraq," Suskind says.

In the book, O'Neill is quoted as saying he was surprised that no one in a National Security Council meeting questioned why Iraq should be invaded. "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill in the book.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9.htm

[buycitgo]

2. quoted from a newspaper article on CSPAN this morning:

Cheney fired him, shortly after dumbo said that his job was not in jeopardy.

THEN.....Cheney asked him to say that he was retiring of his own volition.

ONeill told him that he was "too old to start lying now"

do you think anyone will ever bring this up with Cheney?

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[cthrumatrix]

5. share that verbage with familes who have lost their love ones with a war

based on deception and lies.

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[Don Claybrook]

14. You're right

cthrumatrix needs to grow up and learn how to accept lies, deceit, murder, and imperialism. I'll have to admit that I've had childish visions of peace and truthfulness too. I guess I need to grow up and learn to lie like a fucking pig just like our president does on a daily basis.

[oneighty]

6. Welcome to DU

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[buycitgo]

15. what did Clinton lie about, other than Monica?

What did Sid Blumenthal lie about?

please list the myriad lies of the previous administration.

when you're through with that, if you have a few years, start with year one of the current junta

what DID ONeil lie about? You seem completely assured in your own righteousness.....have you read the 19K documents, vetted them for accuracy? please share your wisdom

you are the expert on exactly what?

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[Don Claybrook]

19. Why DON'T you believe him?

Sure, he's still a conservative with his head up his ass as far as fiscal policy goes, but as you say, he has nothing to lose. And nothing to gain, by the way. He's a rich man.

Why the defense of the indefensible? Why haven't you answered any of my other questions? Why would you assume Bush ever tells the truth? He's proven over and over again that nothing he says can be trusted. Sort of like the drug addict that so many wingnuts listen to and adore. They just can't be trusted--they're proven liars who are both victims of all the illicit drugs they've consumed.

[buycitgo]

20. you know why none of your questions have been answered

time to stop wasting your energy, yes?

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[buycitgo]

29. like I said, you don't answer ANY of the questions put to you, sir/madam

so let's just leave it at that, aside from the fact that he's a GA
ZILLION frickin AIRE, which puts your unsurprisingly venal mindset out there for everyone to see.

if you answer any of the questions asked of you, instead of dropping these inane turdbombs, perhaps someone here will take you half- seriously

til then, no more energy wastage.......

[Sideways]

30. John O'Neill is the equivalent of a foaming-at-the-mouth, rabid, mongrel

Your assertions get more absurd by the minute. BTW I don't think O'Neill has "got religion" or "seen the light" I think he wants to canvas the vapid and vacuous state of this mis administration.

I could be wrong but O'Neill doesn't need the dosh that much I'm sure of. Have you read much about his wealth?

As far as twisting words have you ever heard of the term tacit approval? You didn't have to come out and say JOHN IS FUCKING LYING but with your questioning of his veracity and your accusations about this being "MORE MONEY" you are giving defense to those who want to discredit him. It is subtle but I'm more than sure you get the gist.

[ignatius]

36. The reason he was let go is because he would not rubber stamp

tax cuts that he thought were wrong, would lead to exactly what they have, a runaway defict, and did not address the ever closer problem of the baby boomer demands on social security and medicare.

Seems to me, he has shown a great deal of integrity, certainly more than most in this administration.

BTW, Nelson Mandela would not get within a hundred yards of Bush, he has too much class.

[Sideways]

28. What Exactly Does Johnny O Gain?

He is a fabulously wealthy man and the returns on this book are just peanuts to him. I have no idea about the timing of his book release and neither do you. Yet you seem more focused on the timing of this information then on its veracity. This is a Bush insider nailing our (AS IN DEMOCRATS) Nemesis (AS IN BUSH) to the fucking cross. Alas you don't seem happy with that.

Why is that?

[Timefortruth]

35. Why believe him? Because he has 16,000 pages of documentation

which is supported by the acts of the administration. Lest there be any doubt simply read what the key players say in their own words about the direction they wished for US foreign policy.

Do you think every single member of any standing in the administration lied when they advocated, publicly, the very policies that O'Neil says they also advocated privately?

There is no way you will answer my question, because none of you ever answer if the question is deeper than the talking point.

[RedSock]

32. clinton's lies

it was a long time ago, but i can tell you i was really excited when Clinton was elected in 1992. and within about 4-6 weeks of taking office, he went back on more campaign promises than i could count. it really bust my bubble, because i had really bought into what he had been saying.

the only 2 i can recall now are allowing gays to serve freely in the military and what to do with political prisoners from haiti (?) ... if i had the time, i could go back to microfilm and get a list of what pissed me off, but i don't. anyone here could do it too. just about everything he did right off the bat was not what he had campaigned on. (it's also why i voted nader in 1996)

it is no sin to admit clinton lied. of course he lied -- and you can support him and still admit that. no one is 100% pure or even 90% -- not at that level of politics.

[buycitgo]

33. lies, or campaign promises gone unfulfilled?

give me a break.

I'm no Clinton lover, for some of the same reasons you give, but those don't qualify as lies for me.

he was a moderate-to-right-wing republican president (first and last for whom I've ever voted)....didn't vote for him in 96 (Nader)

DID vote for Gore, though

ABB, Baby!

[Don Claybrook]

16. Pick me! Pick me! I have an answer!

The president that is in office right now, the president who is the subject of this thread, is a confirmed serial liar. His lies have killed many thousands of innocent human beings. He continues to be a worthless liar, and the funny part is that it's all beginning to catch up with him, despite the best efforts of his hired liars and his handpicked press liars.

Any other lies told by other presidents aren't pertinent to these threads, but there are places you can go talk about them if you'd like, and if you don't mind the inbreeding factor.

Why the defense of this lying fuck anyway?

Mark me confused.

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[Cat Atomic]

23. How many of them started a *WAR* based on lies?

A few- and they're despised.

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[Cat Atomic]

26. You're arguing in favor of preventive war now?

You're definitely in the wrong place.

Lies don't matter, some truths should be ignored, and preventive war is a patriotic duty.

Haha. Sure.

[kayell]

24. Ignore it all, nothing matters, they all lie anyway, nothing here to look

at, move along. Are you sure you are meant to be politically involved rather than among the non-voting 50%? Is there some particular reason that you don't want this particular statement along with a LOT of evidence looked at? Are there any particular scandals or evidence that you would find worth your while?

[Don Claybrook]

8. Just to clarify

You don't put a lot of stock in the truth even when it's the truth?

That's a fresh new take on life. Maybe I'll borrow it.

Welcome to Democratic Underground.

[buycitgo]

11. funniest thing, pal.....I had the same reaction to the "lie" bit, BUT

as far as the rest of what he has to say:

he has NINETEEN THOUSAND pages of documents to back up his bitter old side of things.

should give you LOTS of opportunity to prove what he says isn't true.

but then you probably won't have time to read any of that, what with all those freireich threads keeping you busy, will you?

[Octafish]

13. O'Neill backs what Poodle Boy said.

Certainly you remember in the days after 9-11, Bush was doing all he could to go after Saddam. The poodle Tony Blair was the voice who cautioned Bush to go after Osama FIRST. 2 + 2 = Treason, eh?

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, righttherefeelsgood. Down with the BFEE!

[Toots]

18. So you put no stock in the truth by your own admission

"I don't put a lot of stock in what he says even if I do think it could all be true."
What do you put stock in? Rush Limbaugh and Fox News I'd bet. Truth doesn't seem to mean a lot to you.

[Samantha]

9. Do you remember the short-lived story the Repubs circulated

after O'Neil's departure (is his name spelled O'Neil or O'Neal?). The Repubs circulated a story he was let go for using profanity in the White House. This after the release by the reporter quoting remarks uttered by Rove -- "We will f*ck him, we will f*ck him like he's never been f&cked before."

Republicans will say anything, anything at all, regardless of the truth of the situation. Springs from that Texas mentality which dictates lying is not a sin, it's an art.

[ochazuke]

27. O'Neil never did fit in there

He was the only member of the Cabinet who didn't come across as a total shill for the corporatist cabal.

It must have been a latent streak of decency that accounted for that, and for his Standing Up for The Truth now.

Gaaaawwwwd Bless you Pawl O-Kneel, however yous spells yer naym.

[proud patriot]

40. Indeed !

We must go through the documents .

[patricia92243]

4. If the Democrats had a leader, we might be able to turn this into something

Too bad that we don't. Clinton is our "undeclared" head of our party, but he just seems to be sitting on his hands. Maybe if we ever get a nominee, he will be the leader of our party - but that will be to late to take advantage of the O'Neil situation.

I'm in a bad mood - as you can probably tell. :(

[kayell]

31. Interesting that the main thread this disruptor (now tombstoned) posted to

was the one mentioning 19 THOUSAND pages of records. I bet that makes for some seriously interesting reading. We may have found our Ellsberg finally. :bounce:

[ignatius]

37. Yep,just like Bush and Cheney, he never lets facts get in the way

of a foregone conclusion!!!

[SpiralHawk]

34. Bingo !

Bango Bongo !

19,000 ! - A nice round number.

Thank you, thank you very much, Mr. O'Neill


"I think the American people--I hope the American--I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me."
- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002

[loyalsister]

38. I think O'Neill has integrity

I thought that earlier when I read an article that referred to his concerns for safety standards in the corporate world. I sounded like he was taking it very seriously and taking a lot of responsibility for it. I don't like the conservative ideas related to that (ie. reducing\eliminating gov't regulations), however, I do respect a guy who will police himself and walk the walk according to his beliefs("personal responsibility"). Anyway, it gave me the impression that he has some level of integrity. Thus, his whistle blowing doesn't come as much of a surprise. He just strikes me as a man with a conscience.
http://www.ecoscorporation.com/think/safety/corp_safety.htm

[lovedems]

39. That is the great thing about O'Neill being a * insider

I am sure he knew EXACTLY what Rove would do to him before he packed up and left his office. That is one smart cookie. He got the goods in preparation for Rove's attack. Smart move Paul.

[kentuck]

41. Yes, we know they can discredit the man but.....

how can they discredit the 19,000 pages of documents from secret energy meetings and National Security meetings..??? We need to hear them discredit the evidence - not the man. We know they can do that. They are good at that. We have seen them do it before. But it is time for a "come to Jesus" meeting for the media. We know they are good at character assassination. We want to see them report the facts.

[lovedems]

42. My dad is an attorney and he says that a good lawyer will attack

the evidence, not the person. They will attack the evidence and not lie (which you can't do anyway, it's called perjury). That is an excellent point, they are attacking the man and not the evidence. I am sure the evidence will speak for itself.

[Leilani]

43. This is a perfect example of

Don't get Mad; Get Even!

Now let's see what our wonderful press corps does with this stuff.