A Truth told by a devil is still the Truth....

[Selwynn]

..and a Lie told by an Angel is still a lie.

In the case of Oneil, I believe we have a truth told by a devil. I don't doubt that Mr. Oneil has his own motivations for speaking out. However, most liars don't lie, and then produce nineteen thousand pages of high level government records and documentation to support their claims.

I'm not enamored with the man - but I do sit up and take notice when someone comes and dumps a dump track full of supporting evidence on my lap to back up what they're saying. Then, even if I don't like em, even if I think they might have their own reasons for coming forward, or not being as completely innocent as they are trying to appear, I still begin to believe that the story which is being told may in fact be pretty darn credible.

To me, its the documentation - i.e. the supporting evidence that goes along with Oneils statements that is so damning, not Oneil himself.

[GephardtClark]

1. 96 hours ago he was a no good, lying repuke

Now because he said something that you like he's a "truthteller"?

Sorry, I require a little more substance to my rumors.

[Selwynn]

2. 19,000 pages of documents. 19,000 pages of documents. 19,000 pages of doc

What, do you think the entire CIA works for him and just forged all the documents, or... ?

[GephardtClark]

3. Toilet paper.

[Selwynn]

4. Didn't look like toilet paper to me when they showed them.

I have 19,000 pages of government documents on my side. You have glib, ignorant, two word answers and no evidence on your side.

How we doing so far? :)

[GephardtClark]

7. Go ahead

Have wet dreams about O'Neill while Dean makes you eat Electoral dust.

[wtmusic]

8. Is striking back at O'Neill your attempt to divorce Gep from Quagdad

Gep seems to be taking some heat for that vote...

[Selwynn]

9. I don't dream about O'neil. I dream about the...

NINETEEN THOUSAND PAGES OF HIGH LEVEL GOVERMENT DOCUMENTS TURNED OVER WHICH SUPPORT ACCUSATIONS WE ALL AREADY KNOW ARE TRUE

I don't care if they were hand delivered by Satan - they are government documents that unless FORGED only confirm the things that Oneil has said, reguardless of whether or not he is personally a slime ball!

[GephardtClark]

11. Confirms what?

Anyone with any sense knew that Bush* would remove Saddam. You act like you discovered it. I knew he would before he took office. doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I am very glad he did. One more victory in the war on terror.

Just like D-Day didn't end WW II but it sure was a good thing. Don't you agree?

[wtmusic]

14. Yeah except

Germany had already invaded 12 countries before D-Day. If you want to bring up that tired RW talking point, I will have to stay up and kick your ass on it.

[Selwynn]

17. LOL - that second sentence was funny. :D

Well, you stay up then. I'm going to bed. Cover for me! :D

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[Cooley Hurd]

25. And you add sooooo much to the level of discourse here...

...not to mention your intentions here are very transparent. I've alerted the mods, and for good reason...

"Whuppin" indeed... :eyes:

Oh, and a little FYI - Iraq was no threat to the US or even its neighbors, largely due to the efforts of the UN and UNSCOM during the 1990's. This has been PROVEN by Bush's weapons inspectors (headed by David Kay) as well.

But hey, Saddam gassed his own people, right? Read up on it - it was Iran that gassed the Kurdish village...

[Selwynn]

15. Of course I don't agree. Neither do 99.99% of DUers here!

You're going to have a hard time finding much sympathy for the position that the Iraq invasion and illegal occupation was a good thing we should be "very glad" about, nor much sympathy for the position that its ok that the American public were utterly and repeatedly lied to at every step along the way about our real intentions and real motivations for invasion and occupation of Iraq. You'll also have a very tough time finding a lot of sympathy for the position that anything we've done in Iraq has anything to do with winning any sort of victory in the so-called "war on terror."

It doesn't matter that Bush planned to invade Iraq since before he took office. Anyone could guess he would have wanted to do that. What matters is that now there is a whole new array of evidence on public display and at the fingertips of the American people to show to them the full totality of how utterly they were misled. What matters is the documentation of Bush lies - lies that the invasion was because of an immanent thread, lies that the invasion was about Iraqi non-compliance, lies that the invasion was about Iraqi liberation. That is why it matters.

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[Selwynn]

20. Great --- when will you HAVE SOME?

And I love new ideas - so far you've not presented anything but one-liners and unevidenceds, ungrounded, anecdotal, trival tit for tats.

If you'd actually like to present some solid, detailed ideas backed by.. you know... like... evidence and stuff... I bet we'd all enjoy that a lot.

[RapidCreek]

32. Thus far you have presented NO ideas GC

Not a one. Are you not capable? We have already heard the Rethuglican talking points....you didn't discover them. They are old old news here...thouroughly aired, dissected, disproved and laughed at.

RC

[Cat Atomic]

34. LMAO! Now I see why you don't want anyone to listen to O'Neil.

Removing Saddam was a "victory in the war on terror"?

You really give yourself away with shit like that.

[tkmorris]

10. You know....

If I didn't know better I'd say covering for Gep's war vote is more important to you than the truth. Or winning the actual election. But of course that can't be true...........

[GephardtClark]

13. Cover for it?!!!!!

I am not covering anything. I am glad he voted for it. I wish he had voted TWICE for it.

Time for you to learn that some of us disagree with your position on the Iraq War. That okay with you?

[tkmorris]

16. Sure. Be my guest

Disagree all you like. You don't seem to be aware though that this isn't the Disney.com forum. Since you have just arrived today, in fact just in the last few hours, I'll let you in on a secret.

People here are very well informed. If you want to post an opinion expect it to face a very stiff review. If you are informed fear not; the truth will speak for itself. If however you insist on posting isolated and unsupported sentence fragments your arguments will not be taken seriously, in fact outright ridicule may ensue.

Welcome to DU!! :beer:

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[Cat Atomic]

36. Do you even realize how stupid you look?

You've basically admitted to being a right winger, and your original point was "don't listen to O'Neil!".

I swear, if you guys could hold a thought for more than 8 seconds you might be able to hide your lies.

[Webster Green]

24. Yeah, you are a legend in your own mind...

Don't believe everything you think.

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[Webster Green]

29. I warned him that he should choose a tombstone..

Heh!

[NickB79]

28. How could you possibly be glad he voted the way he did?

Has it not dawned on you that he voted that way based on LIES and BS spun by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell? You're glad he was tricked by the Repubs into letting them go play with their toys in the Iraqi sand?

What possible reason still remains to support Gep's pro-war vote, or anyone else's pro-war vote for that matter? Imminent threat from WMD's? Nope, over half a year of searching and zip WMD's. Links to Al Queda? Nope, even Bush and Powell dismissed those themselves. What's left? Saddam was an evil tyrant? If you want to support the invasion based on Saddam's human rights violations, there are literally dozens of countries currently ruled by tyrants and dictators who have killed many times more civilians than Saddam ever did. Why didn't we invade them first? If we were really invading based entirely on our urge to free repressed people, our troops should be swarming throughout Southeast Asia, Central Africa and Central/South America before Iraq.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me or anyone else here on DU. My problem is you don't offer any explanation to support your position, only short, vague remarks. I really want to know, what are you glad about, exactly?

[NickB79]

30. Bye bye, oh well

Guess I'll never be enlightened to the mysterious reason why invading Iraq was the right thing to do.

[Kinkistyle]

31. Please explain motivation for lying?

Hmm? Can you please explain O'Neill's motivation for coming out and lying to appear as if he is letting the cat out of the bag? Can you explain how this in any way helps Bush and the Republicans, huh?

[tabasco]

33. 96 hours ago he was NOT a no good lying repuke.

He obviously attempted to talk some sense to the Bush cabal about the economy, for which he was fired. I supposed he was one of many republicans who value their Nation higher than their loyalty to any political movement. The neocons are alienating many true republicans, and I am happy to see that there are patriots remaining in the republican ranks. Are you one of them, or are you on a suicide mission from OxyRush?

[Coldgothicwoman]

5. He brought it to Americans attention.

And thats something we haven't been able to get accomplished very much. It carries more credibility (to the average viewer) since he's not part of the 'Angry Left' (pardon me while I :puke: )

If it helps to sink * and bring reason back to our country, I'm all for it, even if the man himself may be detestable.

[Selwynn]

6. That's exactly the point I desired to make.

[JasonDeter]

12. I'm old and I'm rich, what can they do to me for telling the truth?

I have new respect for O'Neil. I don't agree with his economic policies, though from what he said in the interview he wasn't as stupid as bush* but I do respect his courage and candor.

[rman]

35. what better revenge then to tell the truth?

lying wouldn't very impressive revenge, would it?