Rush dismisses O'neill's claims: Iraq plan left over from Clinton.

[Cannikin]

Although the MSNBC article on O'Neill has a section about Wes Clark's book that says George Sr. and company came up with it:

"In his own book, “Winning Modern War,” Clark claims Iraq invasion planning dates back to 1996, when he says a group left over from the first Bush administration recommended that Israel focus on removing Saddam from power.

Clark goes on to write that in 1998, the group of 20 -- which included Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, now defense secretary and deputy defense secretary, respectively -- wrote to President Clinton, asking him to “aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power.”"


So, thats the way they're going to try to wiggle out of it? Once again, Rush manages to work Clinton's name into it. Is there any evidence to back up Clark's claims?

[hedda_foil]

1. So they're using PNAC to discredit O'Neill????

This is freepin' hilarious. The letter was the original PNAC letter to Clinton!

[underpants]

2. There is some sort of contengency for action everywhere

They don't just sit around twiddling their thumbs all day.

Some sort of a plan is in place in some form for every hotspot as well as seemingly harmless area/country/region.

By saying this is Rush giving Clinton credit for Iraq? If not, is he admitting that it isn't going so well?

[TacticalPeek]

7. The horns of a logical dilemma, a frequent repose for Mr. Cyst.

I doubt he would answer, but still someone should ask Tommy Franks what he meant when he said he began his plannng around spring '02.

So, pick where you want to be gored, Flush.

:evilgrin:

[wtmusic]

3. Who cares if it was during Clinton?

when it came from good...ahem....Democrats like Rummy and Wolfie?

[Cannikin]

6. We'll need sources..

for an effective argument.

Where can we find out about how long the plan had been in place? Clark implies that this was in the works since George Sr. was in office. All they needed was someone in the White House to pull it off.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

4. OK, they're getting desperate

No one would believe that one. Ol' Rushy must be hitting the Oxys again.

[reprehensor]

5. The Letter from PNAC

http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Sure, Limbaugh, whatever you say...

[UTUSN]

8. Say It Loud, and Often: Shrub's Policy Was ANYTHING BUT CLINTON

It was clear from Shrub's Day One that the Shrubbites were pursuing A.B.C., Anything But CLINTON. They ignored the departing Admin's briefings and warnings about terrorism, ignored the HART-RUDMAN report, said that CHEENEE was going to re-study everything so that they didn't need to listen to CLINTON.

[NewJeffCT]

9. Let me get this straight?

A group of 20 people outside the Clinton administration send a letter to Clinton, and then because those 20 PNACers send a letter to the president, it became Clinton's policy? Am I missing something here? A letter sent means it was the official policy? Please tell me I am not way off base here? It seems ludicrous.

[Cannikin]

10. I think that letter needs to be made more public, along with the authors..

[NewJeffCT]

11. Yes, and

My point was that I could write a letter advocating Bush go jump in a lake and get 20 people to sign it... does that mean it's become government policy that the president go jump in a lake?

[Cannikin]

13. Hmmm...reminds me of something I havent heard in a while...

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

[RamboLiberal]

15. Apparently that's exactly what Bill Kristol was floating yesterday

That it's Clinton's plan to take out Saddam, grab the oil wells, etc. I just had to tune in to Faux & Friends for a few minutes this morning to see how the Faux whores would spin the O' Neill story. They mentioned Kristol said this Sunday on Faux.

I don't know how many times I heard "stabbed in the back".

And they were floating idea O'Neill should be brought up on charges for exposing "secret govt documents".

[WillyT]

17. Oh Yeah... It's The "Official Meme' From The Right Against O'Neil !!!

Heard it on Rush this morning, heard it on the Tom Sullivan Show (a frequent substitute for, and friend of Rush) this afternoon, and you say Faux News had it cued up as well???

Man, they must have some serious Orwellian's typing out 'talking points' for their rapid response team. Dudes are gonna be busy though, ya know???

:shrug:

[Postman]

12. Clinton was wrong too. Now what?

Just because you claim the "Clinton defense" doesn't excuse the action.

[Cat Atomic]

14. Ok... so does Clinton get the CREDIT for Iraq then?

I mean... it's going so well, and it was such a noble cause...

And it was CLINTON'S idea... so...

[durutti]

16. Remember what they said about Plame.

That she wasn't an undercover operative. They were proven wrong. I suspect they will be on this issue as well.

[Walt Starr]

18. Why the fuck would I give a shit what Limbaugh (R - Addict) has to say?

Seriously. He's not a credible source. He's nothing more than a little man with a microscopic penis making up for that fact the only way he knows how.

[Faygo Kid]

23. To hear Rove's talking points

Gotta know what the talking points are. I posted a thread Sunday that predicted what they would be ("It's Clinton's Fault"), and I was right (often wrong, but not this time). What I didn't predict was the rage of GWB, and sending the Treasury Dept. after O'Neill. Forgot the megalomania part. That didn't get to Rush in time; Hannity and O'Reilly will pick it up tonight. You want to know what the enemy thinks, you gotta check out their orcs from time to time.

[ComerPerro]

19. So if I write a letter to Bush

telling him that I intend to steal millions of dollars from the US Treasury, and then I go ahead and do it after he is out of office, then it will be his fault and I will be blameless?

[leetrisck]

20. At the top of the list was Bin Laden

Clinton's people were issuing urgent warnings to the bush administration aboout Bin Laden - the #1 problem - so why were they discussing Saddam at all at that time.

[YNGW]

21. Clinton - Iraq

I was under the impression even during the Clinton years that ousting Saddam was US policy. It would be natural for the Pentagon to have many plans in place for "hot spots" as they occur. The boys in Washington probably run these types of military scenarios all the time. I guarantee you there's a military plan somewhere in the Pentagon that is updated from time to time on what actions we would take if we were going to invade Uruguay. I don't know that necessarily means it will ever come to fruition. So, that the Clinton Administration would have a plan on post-Saddam Iraq would not surprise me. I mean, Clinton did send missles in there when they kept attacking our planes in the no-fly zone. You don't do things like that unless you have several plans on the table in case things erupted.

[rman]

22. we know PNAC send Clinton the plan, so it's obviously PNAC's plan

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[arewethereyet]

24. yes, there are plans to address all worrisome countries

and they are reviewed and updated on a very regular basis. Its been like this for decades.

They may be generals and admirals but they must have started out as boy scouts...

"be prepared"