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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 09:05 PM
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What's it going to take? Democracy is gone and everyone continues
to play the game of Pretend.

The Patriot Act I and the recent passage of its expansion in Dec. should be setting off alarms and sending citizens and Dems scrambling to blow the whistle on the secretive voice vote in the Senate. But almost no one has even mentioned it, let alone seemed alarmed.
Then we get the news that the airport security plans to "color code" us and collect personal information on their data banks is being implemented NOW. Not only has there been no mention or public debate about these plans, but again....no outrage.

I have come to the conclusion (and it's been cumulative over several years) that there is another agenda going on that, once understood, seems to make all the apparent contradictions begin to fall into place. It's like a template for the real agenda.

Let's start with a quote from one of the media elite that slipped through the veil of secrecy just long enough to be caught in print, and to validate what many who are connecting the dots, have suspected all along -

JULY 27, 2000 22:09 UTC

FLASHBACK: TIMEWARNER HEAD LEVIN WARNS OF 'AMERICAN CULTURAL IMPERIALISM';
SEES CORPORATIONS TAKING 'GOVERNMENT ROLES'

AOL chief executive Steve Case and TIME WARNER chief executive Gerald Levin
testified Thursday before a complete panel at the Federal Communications
Commission.

But candid comments made by Levin earlier this year during a media
roundtable have some lawmakers in Congress concerned that something is foul
with the latest greatest media marriage.

Levin recently warned: In the post-Cold War era there is only "American
cultural imperialism."

"There's no countervailing force, that's a significant problem," declared
the man who will become the most powerful media executive in history if the
AOL/TIME WARNER merger is approved by federal regulators.

Levin sees a future where major media corporations take on responsibilities
currently administered by governments.

"We're going to need to have these corporations redefined as instruments of
public service because they have the resources, they have the reach, they
have the skill base, and maybe there's a new generation coming up that wants
to achieve meaning in that context and have an impact, and that may be a
more efficient way to deal with society's problems than governments,"
predicted Levin.

A summary of Levin's past comments were circulated behind committee doors
this week, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, including Levin's belief that an
"old-fashioned regulatory system" has to give way to a new "global concern."

"It does appear that Mr. Levin has greater designs than simply running an
entertainment conglomerate," said one Republican lawmaker who would like to
question Levin on his feelings about "American cultural imperialism."

At the TIMEWARNER Global Forum gathering in Shanghai last year, Levin
introduced Communist China's President Jiang Zemin, calling him "my good
friend."

Levin presented him with a bust of Abraham Lincoln.

Levin, who refused to meet with human rights representatives during the
trip, told vaunted visitors that Jiang can reel off the Gettysburg address
from memory.


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In his book "The Future of Money – creating new wealth, work and a wiser world" (Century 2001) Bernard Lietaer examines a possible future scenario referred to as the Corporate Millennium – government by big business. It is a world in which private shopping malls, sports facilities, housing developments are available, but only to the better off. With a large, angry and increasingly violent excluded minority, these facilities are fenced off and heavily guarded with access only to those who are issued with smart cards implanted with microchips. Databases contain huge records of profiles on consumer preferences and the end of national government is forecast with everything from education, health, policing, army and security services in private hands. The last prime minister finally relinquishes office, his government has no further function – Securicor is to take over the police franchise for the UK, Executive Solutions has the armed forces contract, and Social Services is run by Sonysoft – a merger of Sony and Microsoft. Consolidated Banks runs the economy, whilst NewsCorp has the education franchise. The Prime Minister will slip into retirement as easily as power has slipped into the hands of big business….

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What's it going to take? What would it take for you? Will you not see it because you don't know what to do about it? Are you afraid of what it may take to change this, and would prefer to just quietly go along?

This other REALITY and its agenda has crossed over and is slowly herding us into the corporate corral, tagging us and stripping us of our rights and privacy. It IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW! CAN YOU SEE?


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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 09:21 PM
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1. What did it take for Germany?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 09:30 PM
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3. Germany was taken to the brink of annihilation.
It's only because some Nazis stopped obeying orders when the allies were closing in that the Germans who weren't killed survived at all. Hitler had ordered a scorched earth policy. He didn't want one German to survive if he couldn't so he ordered that all food, gasoline buildings everything be destroyed so even if some survived there would be nothing to eat, drink or places to live. For once the orders weren't carried out.

The Germans still suffered terribly after the war until it was stablized and supplies could be brought in and rebuilding begun. I really hope these idiots can be stopped before anything like this could happen.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 09:37 PM
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4. This is what it's gonna take
People with conscience not following orders. In the Corporate State that would be employees of the corporation. But sadly, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 10:46 PM
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7. You snatched the words right off my fingers

Only when the crusaders refuse to obey orders and only when other countries decide to save themselves - and the US - does any of us have a reasonable chance of reaching a ripe old age and leaving our children something a step above hell.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:53 AM
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12. There is hope
Edited on Wed Jan-14-04 11:58 AM by camero
The desertion rate of soldiers is up around 3000 per month from what I heard. In the Corporate State, workers will have to desert. Stocking up on canned goods may not be a bad idea.
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 09:26 PM
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2. My opinion, for what it is worth...
It will take a complete disintegration of the present system to re-align our priorities. No more opportunity to simply consume, consume, consume. The necessity of having to go without the unnecessary accoutrements as we now define them, and perhaps REAL hunger; that wonderful, gnawing feeling that one gets after not having eaten ANYTHING for a week or two, having to drink questionable water because there is nothing else, and living in filthy conditions. Our complacency, arrogance and intellectual laziness are things that need to be driven home to us in a way that we shall not forget. We don't, as a society, have any real appreciation for what we have, or how we obtain the things we consume; sadly, we don't even much care, as long it doesn't mean sending our children out to pick crops in the fields to make ends meet. We are a grossly ungrateful and unrepentant society. I would point out too, that someone else said exactly this same thing about three months ago and was pretty well flamed for it. Perhaps some of those who did the flaming should reconsider.
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 12:59 AM
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9. your prediction is sad
first of all why can't people decide not to become consumers at least unneccesarily consume. Things could be done to change this possible future if people realized how they are brainwashed to find satisfaction in consuming instead of just living and being. I hope your prediction doesn't come true but I can see why you say it.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 10:10 PM
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5. It's the End Game of the Industrial Age.
Readily recoverable oil and natural gas will be gone in a matter of decades, and their dwindling will be felt, and felt hard, long before that.

Times like these, thought men like Cheney, call for the laying aside of childish things, like democracy and civil liberties. America, if it is to maintain Full Spectrum Dominance, must proudly wear the brownshirt. Enough soft power. Bring on the catalyzing Pearl Harbor.


From "Strike A Blow Against The Empire" by David Rovics:

And when the time had come
And the Reich was at your door
When the fascist state was here
They'd brought home the war
When the Gestapo was in the city
And they had really taken power
When there was nothing left to do
Here in the final hour
Did you find a place to run to
And hope to live a few more years
When the slaughter was around you
Did you cover up your ears
Or did you set your sights
Take your aim and fire
Did you strike a blow against the empire?

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 10:39 PM
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6. We are already living
in a military dictatorship. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is simply oblivious to reality.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 12:40 AM
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8. kick
more should be looking at this.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 06:35 PM
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14. kick this again
it deserves it.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 02:36 AM
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10. Remember...
It doesn't matter what we think...
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 06:21 AM
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11. no formula
Since we wish to be an empire instead of a republic, it will take those things that make empires fall. A radio commentator whose name I didn't catch advanced the idea a couple of days ago that empires may be established by military dominance, but that is not how they are maintained. He said that empires thrive when subjects perceive the institutions as fair.

If this is correct, then the right wing radicals are trying to have as short-lived an empire as possible. Institutions such as the UN are actively undermined by the US, whereas those perceived as unfair (IMF, WB, WTO, etc.) are supported.

Domestically, we need an opposition party of national stature that acts as more than a bipartisan rival. It must oppose the underlying assumptions of Republican empire.

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 12:14 PM
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13. I agree...a few comments
What you are describing is already here. However, I'd note that it is more effective for corporations to simply take over government (rather than eliminating it). In other words, the effect of what you are describing is the same, but the people are fooled.

I do sometimes think that this entire election process is a charade. The outcome has already been decided by those who have the power to do so. The only thing this process is good for is getting new ideas out...and in that way I feel Sharpton and Kucinich have already won. But it's a show...and a good show at that.

When I see powerful people like O'Neil come out, that's whats tells me the ruling elite may have decided enough is enough. But its too soon to tell.

In 2004, may our ruling elite have a heart.

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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:46 PM
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15. I can see it
I see it everyday, now. Many pieces are already in place.

Plus, I work at the place where they make the gov't robots (not MIT, the other one) and I know the machines are getting ready, too.

it is make or break time for us mammals

i am hopeful, but these days, scared
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