I'm half way through the O'Neill book -- shrub is a puppet / much planned

[cthrumatrix]

I'm not sure where to start...number one is you must get the book.

It clearly outlines the intent to go after Iraq 10th day in office...describes the meetings...Rummy looking for an "incident" to triger an attack (like a no-fly zone shoot down). The most interesting comment was that O'Neill felt the whole cabinet meeting felt "scripted" (like other eventually were to become).

It talks alot about Christine Whitman's problems in dealing with shrub...he doesn't engage in discussions with his top people (memo, reports etc.)

Shrub doesn't say much at any meetings (private or group)..doesn't question the scripted get togethers and very disengaged.

Talks alot about Cheney's energy panel meetings. He kept as govt employees so he he did not have to report his work. But at meeting breaks all the coroporate bigboys were there -- giving input as to what would be policy -- with no environmental input.

I'm half way through and there is a major reason that they are discrediting Mr. O'Neill...it makes shrub look like the most incompetent President you can imagine.

O'Neill -- thinks "where does the plan come from" -- it's not "discussed in any meetings...no process for creating policy.

If the media read the book and shared the reality of the contents and told the people -- shrub is gone --- nobody would tolerate such "abscense in thought" (IMHO)

More to follow.........

[cthrumatrix]

1. furthermore -- O'Neill's background and workstlyle approach cannot be

questioned....

It goes over in great deal the tax issues vs saving social security.

This bashing of him for "tax cuts" is a "con job" -- simply to discredit him.

Your comment to anyone about this subject --- if they bitch about O'Neill -- "talk to the hand -- read the book first".

They will change their mind.

O'Neill kept notes on everything, every meeting (location and attendance), phone calls, memo, etc....unbelievable detail

[TeeYiYi]

2. "nobody would tolerate such "abscense in thought""...

Boy it sure seems that they have so far. Why would it change?!

TYY

[Unknown Known]

3. It's #1 on Amazon.com already

It just came out yesterday!

[Fleshdancer]

6. I thought it came out today

I bought mine this afternoon at Barnes&Noble. I had to go to the customer service counter to ask about it because I couldn't find it in New Releases or in the Current Affairs section. I saw one lonely copy on the customer service counter, pointed at it and told the clerk I was looking for it but couldn't find it anywhere in the store. He told me to take it and that it was "selling like crazy". I think I got the last one at that particular store!

I'm only 1/4 of the way through, but I'm ear marking all the pages of great interest so I can go back and re-read it. This is a pretty damn good book so far.

[qanda]

4. Which begs the question

Why does O'Neill plan on voting for such incompetence? The Democrats aren't *that* bad-- Are they?

[lancdem]

5. Probably trying to protect himself

[cthrumatrix]

7. After reading more ....post 911..... Tenet lays out the plans for war

'anywhere' against terrorist....they talk about Iraq as well (Wolfy, Rummy etc)....O'Neill doens't see the connection to 911 but only previous desires for invading Iraq.

In reading this ... there was no discussion of "factual evidence who did 911 -- Tenet I think drew out some supposed elctronic bank transactions " ...but not really dicussed.

My opinion in reading the book....they were "played". People came in and say "al quaeda" in afhghanistan and they can be the "role model" for our "war on terror".

This is QUITE an eye opener on our king and his court. O'Neill draws several comparisons to shrub vs the other Presidents (Nixon and Ford) and how they were "more engaged...read information...worked with their staffs...etc...

Not very positive comments at all for shrubs leadership ability....this is the most damming part about the book in my opinion. It is scary that shrub is "our selected leader".

[Sliverofhope]

8. It's pretty clear the

Axis of Evil/ Bush doctrine neocon thinking existed in a fetal form in January 2001. Much of what passes as the "war on terrorism" seems to have been thought about. Worries about weapons of mass destruction and such. The whole book needs to be read. This isn't something that can just be summed up in 60 minutes.

[loudnclear]

9. Bush doesn't engage in conversations with his top aids because he

can't hold a decent conversation. He is a nitwit when it comes to understanding issues, he speaks at a 4th grade level and probably is capable of thinking critically only at the 3rd grade level.

Anyone see Mel Brooks movie "Being There?"

[TheDalaiMama]

10. I am half way through it and it's compelling to say the least...I almost

feel a sense of sadness for shrub...not pity...but he is in way over his head and that's exactly what the cabal wanted.

Imagine what the other leaders think when they meet with him for business. He's probably ok on the personal side.

Now I see why Fox (Mexico) was so adament about US immigration policy.. as if he was in charge...well...he probably was.

God help all of us in this country.

[masshole]

11. Being There

Hal Ashby directed "Being There". Jerzy Kosinski wrote the novel and screenplay.

"In a garden, growth has its season. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again."
Chauncey explains the economy.

At least Chauncey had an original thought, however misinterpreted.

Has Shrub?

[alfredo]

13. Now read "Tartuffe the Imposter" by Moliere.

compare and contrast.

[paulthompson]

12. thanks for the scoop

For us overseas folks who can't read the book yet, can you explain more about the Rumsfeld looking for an "incident" to triger an attack?

That really gets my tinfoil hat buzzing with curiosity.

[cthrumatrix]

16. O'Neill talks of not the why for war but the "how" and "how quickly" pg96

"Rumsfeld, O'Neill recallled was focused onhow an incident might cause escalted tensions--like the shooting down of an American plane in the regular engagements between US fighter and Iraqi antiaircraft batteries -- and what the US responses to such an oocurence might be."

[cliss]

14. This is so VERY very exciting. A DU:er's dream

I'm as cheap as they come, but I'm going to get my grubby little claws on this book. I can't wait.

I'll go get it this weekend, and recommend it to everyone I know.

[Lindsey]

15. I'm picking it up tomorrow

and reading it over the weekend. I'm also going to get the new one by Kevin Phillips - Bush Dynasty.

[leftchick]

17. OMG......

:wow: Confirms the worst of my fears about dumbya*. He really is more stupid than I ever suspected. This is scary shit! God help us all.

[cthrumatrix]

18. kick for pm group

[KoKo]

19. Sounds like O'Neill is exposing that Chimp is being run by a Cabal..

Easily influenced and Lazy, his Poppy took the Presidency for him and when he got it, he was run by the "hawks" in Poppy's Admin.

Something's really weird about Poppy and Son, and the players who run both of them. It's becoming obvious that both Bushes are Puppets, but Poppy had a "little independent streak" and refused to March to Baghdad.

Thanks so much for your posting of excerpts here. It really counteracts all the "moaning and groaning" by folks saying the "O'Neill Story" is dead. It obviously is as important a book as Philips "Bush Dynasty" and the two would seem to fit very well together in revelations.