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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 11:48 PM
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I’m intrigued, why Bev Harris won’t speak with Victoria Collier...
as is Ms. Collier...

Victoria Collier (www.votescam.com) was on the Meria Heller show today (www.meria.net) wondering why Bev Harris hasn’t talked with her and her very knowledgeable and informative team at "Vote Scam" as Meria so eloquently pointed out, she too was wondering about Bev Harris (whom all agree is very dedicated and tirelessly and unselfishly doing very important and necessary work for all of us)

However, I also agree with Meria and Victoria that Bev Harris is just touching the tip of the iceberg in the Diebold “black Box” voting fraud, as well as all the voting scams that have been occurring over the past forty years. A paper trail will mean nothing if the software in the box will still be able to change or distort votes and no one is allowed to check the machines…obviously even with a paper trail each paper receipt would have to be counted by hand to get an accurate count, if the box software was still able to manipulate the votes, even while spiting out a piece of paper saying differently to the voter.

Listen to Meria show today and you’ll see what I’m talking about. You can fast forward to around thirty minutes into the show to hear it the above mentioned (but I’d encourage you to listen to as much as possible before making comment.) Victoria Collier is very sweet and incredibly entertaining and informative, she indeed knows her shit!!!
Meria’s show: http://www.meria.net/


Computerized Election Fraud in America: A Brief History

By Victoria Collier
Editor of www.VoteScam.com
October 25, 2003

America's Wake-Up Call

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" --Thomas Jefferson

In the 2000 election, George W. Bush stole the presidency by
combining various forms of vote fraud, not all of which could be
concealed from the American public. The month-long battle in Dade
County ended with open slaughter of the democratic process, and the
occupation of the country by a regime of what may be accurately
described as corporate fascists.

That's the bad news.

The good news is, the 2000 election also marked a turning point in
American consciousness. Or, I might venture to say, an awakening.
Before W's coup, most Americans were, for lack of a better
metaphor, asleep at the wheel. This metaphor works just fine,
because our electoral process is the wheel that guides our nation,
the mechanism that allows us to control the engines of power, and
to turn our country in a new direction if, for instance, weíre
nearing the edge of a cliff.

Nothing is more important to an American citizen than the right to
cast a ballot.

But modern Americans have been abandoning the voting booth in
droves. Over the past fifty years, less than half of all eligible
voters went to the polls, sometimes less than 25%. However, far
more astounding is that those who voted rarely bothered to wonder
if their vote was counted accurately.

A vote cast but not counted is meaningless. The only way to know
that your vote is properly counted is to watch the entire counting
process, which is why election law requires an open, public vote
count, and makes secret ballot counting illegal. However, most
voters have eagerly abdicated the responsibility of overseeing
their vote count to a handful of extremely dubious "experts" and
"officials." Human nature is largely to blame. November election
night in most states is cold -- and often wet. Those who manage to
make their way to the polls after work want only to go home, turn
on the TV, and let their local newscaster tell them who won. And
yet, our natural instinct to curl up on the couch cannot be wholly
to blame. Recent history has shown that the most avid political
junkies -- even candidates themselves -- have demonstrated a
profound disinterest in how the gears and levers work behind the
scene on election night, or who is controlling them.

It should not surprise us that vote fraud has flourished in this
vacuum of electoral vigilance. Criminals of every stripe have
slithered through the unwatched gates and into positions of power
in America. It has not taken them long to corrupt the entire
electoral process itself, securing for themselves the gates of
power. As I write this article, America is on the verge of losing
the last shreds of its democracy, with the rise of ballot-less
computerized voting machines.

One Machine to Rule Them All

Thanks in part to the recent Bush approved Help America Vote Act
(HAVA), squadrons of shiny new Touch Screen Trojan horses are being
rolled into precincts across America. Not, as we are told, to make
voting easier or more accurate, or to help disabled people vote
privately, or to save America from the dangers of hanging chad and
butterfly ballots -- no. The real reason America is being flooded
with billions of dollars worth of paperless computerized voting
machines is so that no one will ever again be able to prove vote
fraud.

These machines are not just unverifiable, they are secretly
programmed (their software is not open to scrutiny by election
officials or computer experts), equipped with modems, accessible by
computer, telephone, and satellite. They are the final product of
decades of work by the election rigging industry. When they are
installed in every precinct in America, our elections will finally
become completely meaningless, nothing more than charades behind
which criminal thugs will wield the power of this nation.

That is the plan for America. But there's a glitch.

The blatant and multi-faceted fraud of the 2000 election -- in
which the ultimate poster boy for corporate corruption stole the
highest seat in the nation -- woke the American people from their
dangerous slumber. The issue of election fraud is now smoldering in
the minds of millions. Of course the Touch Screens were immediately
offered as the solution to all our voting problems, but thanks to
the wonderful work of many new computerized vote fraud researchers,
most notably Bev Harris (author of Black Box Voting), Americans are
quickly recognizing that the ìsolutionî is worse than the problem.

Despite the best propaganda efforts of corrupt voting machine
corporations like Diebold and ES&S, even those with the worst
butterfly ballot jitters are coming to understand that destroying
the ballot altogether, erasing any verifiable record of the vote
count and making a recount impossible, is not the answer to our
problems. And, as the Touch Screen systems continue to openly
malfunction, increasing numbers of voters will begin doubting their
safety and accuracy.

It's becoming clear to Americans that, just like the aftermath of
the Enron scandal, no real government reform is forthcoming in the
area of election security. The news is out that the same company that
was used in Florida to falsely purge voter rolls of thousands of largely
poor, black and Democratic voters is being hired by other states across
the country for the same job (read "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"
by Greg Palast).

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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:14 AM
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1. Anyone listen?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:28 AM
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2. Why don't you post this directly on Bev Harris's forum.
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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:50 AM
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3. Thanks so much, I will...
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 12:03 PM
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4. And the point of this thread is.....
.....:shrug:

There seem to be 500+ people registered at http://blackboxvoting.org and http://blackboxvoting.com as well as at least 100 more here at DU who have no problem contacting Bev. Look for any of her posts and click on the e-mail icon.

I’m intrigued, as to why you chose to word this post the way you did. :evilgrin:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:41 AM
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5. I have spoken with Victoria Collier, and she has a prime spot in the book
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 01:23 AM by BevHarris
In Chapter 14, we offer three proposed solutions. Victoria Collier has the prime spot, and her solution is the one I favor. I have spoken with her, but early on, and perhaps she has forgotten since not many people knew me back then.

She is right about the iceberg. There is so much material to cover we could have a 900-page book and still not get to all of it. One difference between Black Box Voting and VoteScam, however, is that I provided 328 footnotes to source my material so that others can easily verify the facts independently. There is some amazing stuff in Votescam, and it would have been very helpful to me to get more specifics and footnotes. But I can understand -- it is a LOT of work. The heavily footnoted chapters take forever to write.

I regularly read the bulletins from VoteScam.

Thanks for the heads up -- I'll see if I can get hold of Victoria one day soon.

Bev Harris
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