What will Young Conservatives do when the draft comes back?

[bluestateguy]

What kind of excuses can we expect from our healthy young male Conservative friends? Boils on their asses? Too many minorities taking up the good spots in the military? "Other priorities"? Too fat? Psorisis? Daddy gave a lot of money to the Bush campaign? The return of the draft is not a good thing, but watching these young fascists try to weasel out could be entertaining.

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. They will shit their pants like Tucker Carlson...

and get deferments left and right...

[DuctapeFatwa]

2. The poor ones will become crusaders, the rich ones will buy out

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. Judging from what happened during the Vietnam War...

the rich ones will weasel out and the poor ones will go marching naively off, thinking that they're doing their glorious patriotic duty.

[A HERETIC I AM]

14. Certain rich ones will join up straight from the Ivy League....

and become the Presidential candidates of the future. It has always been this way. The Shrubs daddy joined up to deflect blame from his daddy. "I am a patriotic American, therefore my father really didn't profit from the Nazi buildup"

And just to be fair, lets not forget the current JFK.

( A son of wealthy parents who joined up, served admirably as an officer and was decorated)

[banana republican]

4. Vote Democrat next time ????????

[ComerPerro]

5. Um, that would imply that they can learn

And, well, it seems apparent that they can not.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

6. I know a few of them...

I ask my freeper buddies (16-18) if they would go to war if drafted, and of course I never receive a straight answer. They are all cowards, willing to send others to die in their name.

[mindless]

7. After watching the news and the PBS newshour

The draft isnt even being a considered. They said publicly that the army is big enough as it is. Rums'ncoke'field said that tonight. You are wrong if you thing the draft will come back soon. They all know that would be a death penalty decision.

Sorry to rain on your patarde.

[bluestateguy]

8. Ahem

Call me a radical but I don't base my assumptions on "well the White House said so". It's an election year, of course nobody is going to have the balls to talk about a draft. After the election, however, with Shrub safely in a second term, never having to face the voters again, the draft is a very real possibility. We have a Congress that will absolutely roll over for this president, and if he is elected and says he wants a draft then they will give it to him.

[underseasurveyor]

9. You might want to read this

www.bushdraft.com

I have two perfect draft age sons. I have been following this very closely for over 2 years now.
March or April of 2005. Dear GODDESS PLEASE force me to eat crow on this.

[underseasurveyor]

13. And this...........

From the Selective service's own website. Geeesh where ya been this was a DU scoop ;-) way back in November.....

"STRATEGIC GOALS:

The SSS Strategic Goals identified in the Agency’s Strategic Plan for FY 2001- 2006 are:

• INCREASE THE EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY OF THE
MANPOWER DELIVERY SYSTEMS

• ENHANCE EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE

• IMPROVE OVERALL REGISTRATION COMPLIANCE AND
SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC

--->• ENHANCE THE SYSTEM WHICH GUARANTEES THAT EACH
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR IS PROPERLY CLASSIFIED,
PLACED, AND MONITORED"

http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

If there is no draft coming why do they make plans for conscientious objectors?

[LiberalFighter]

38. Why do they have "Local Draft Board" applications?

[Webster Green]

16. If Rumsfeld said it, then it must be true?

Hoo Boy!

[underseasurveyor]

17. When-Will-They-Learn? When????

What the BFEE says and what they do are two totally different things.

Rummy et al have been so truthful so far :eyes:

[maggrwaggr]

18. nice name, "mindless"

you haven't rained on my "patarde", whatever that is.

In case you haven't been paying attention, if Bush gets re-selected in 04, he won't have to worry about getting re-selected because in this country a president, even Bush, can only serve two terms.

[sendero]

29. "They say so"

Where have you been living the last 3 years. What they say and what they do have nothing whatsoever in common.

Unless things start going spectactularly well (very unlikely), we will have a draft. They didn't increase the draft board funding for nothing. Follow the freaking money.

[Gemini Cat]

10. The rich kids will use all of the above excuses to avoid the draft...

plus a few more. However, their biggest excuse will be, "why should *I* (you know, I have a future afterall) go when there are so many others who are willing to take my place?"

The draft is coming and it will be the poor kids that will go.


:dem:

[KG]

11. i dunno, multiple deferments?

other priorities than military service?

[underseasurveyor]

12. The noise will be deafening

All those conservatives whining and crying.......
MOMMY! DADDY!

It'll be awful.

[Elwood P Dowd]

15. I didn't meet any rich people when I was drafted during Vietnam

However, I did meet several that came from the middle class.
Many of these were like me -- 23 years old, college grad, and
making over $1,000 a month (1969-70). When you have your income,
your music, your stereo, your car, and your hair taken away at
that age, it's a massive shock! My first month's pay was $110.00.
Then you realize they're training you to shoot to kill with an
M16 so the other SOB won't kill you with his AK47.The poor and the
ignorant adapted much better. They were much easier to brainwash,
plus at least they had some income and three decent meals a day.

I hate to think what these republican yuppies are going to do when
this shit hits them. When the word spreads about the DIs (most of
'em come from poor families) and their treatment of the pretty boys
from the spoiled middle class, look out! Mommy and daddy are going
to get upset. When little Danny gets shipped out to the Middle East
to invade Iran, all hell breaks loose!!!!

What really amazes me about all the rebublicans I know that are my
age is the fact that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THESE JERKS served during
Vietnam. For some strange reason, they were all in bad health
during that time. It's amazing how they lived another 35 years.
How did they do it?

[maggrwaggr]

19. nice post, Elwood.

nt

[moondust]

21. Thanks for the post EPD.

Great insight. I seriously hope you're writing your story down for posterity. "The poor and the ignorant"/brainwashed probably won't.

[Elwood P Dowd]

22. I didn’t mean to be sarcastic Buzz

I came from a poor/lower middle class family myself - worked my
way through college and was drafted at 23. The young soldiers from
poor backgrounds were easy to brainwash. That's just a fact, and
it's been true throughout our history. The poor fight the wars for
the rich.

I was older, more mature, and better educated than 95% of my basic
training company. Most of these draftees were just 18 and 19 from
poor backgrounds. The Army took advantage of these kids. Some of
them actually joined and volunteered for Vietnam. Trying to teach them a little common sense was fruitless. It wasn't their fault.
They just didn't know any better. What else can I say?

[moondust]

26. I know.

I wasn't calling you on it. I know it's true. Because you were "older, more mature, and better educated," and actually had a life going for you before being drafted, it sounds like you may have some interesting stories to tell. If so, you should take your time and put them down.

[retread]

27. I was drafted in 1966. My response to your statement "the poor

and ignorant... were much easier to brainwash" is BULLSHIT!! What you call brainwashed I call enviable survival skills honed by living in the good ole USA.

[Name removed]

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[MI Cherie]

23. Perhaps then ....

... it's the poor conservatives that are easily brainwashed?



:shrug:

[nyrnyr1994]

24. Or even better...

John Kerry
http://www.vietnamwar.com/JohnKerryBio.htm

or Wesley Clark
http://www.vietnamwar.com/


Read it and weep, freep!

[Elwood P Dowd]

25. Gore served in Vietnam

Where was Bushit? Oh, I forgot, he was AWOL. Wonder what
happened to those records from 1973? You think our friend
above can help us locate them?

[KayLaw]

28. Speaking of that

I know that many of the Republican chicken hawks avoided service through various means, and many men of the different parties did the same, but whoever they are and however they managed, weren't these deferments legal?

I honestly know very little about the draft and laws dealing with the draft, but can you really compare the chicken hawks and people like Dean and Clinton with Bush? Isn't going AWOL a serious crime, especially in a time of war?

[LiberalFighter]

40. bush was more than AWOL he was a DESERTER!!

AWOL is someone absent without leave for 30 days or less
DESERTER is someone absent over 30 days

[Bridget Burke]

34. Too bad about the National Guard

YOUR boy Bush* managed to finagle his way into the Texas Air Guard unit based here at Ellington ahead of many more qualified candidates. Received a "special" commission (no OCS) & expensive pilot training in an obsolescent jet which was not used in Southeast Asia). And, still, he blew off his last year or so of service.

However, members of the Guard & Reserves are being put in harms way now. No longer a safe refuge in a time of war.

Clinton & Dean managed to avoid the draft using totally legal methods; Clinton was in school, then got a high lottery number. I was of that generation & don't blame them at all for not wanting to die in a cause they couldn't support.

Then & now, the ones who support the war but can't be bothered to go are the "Chickenhawks".

[PsN2Wind]

30. Same thing

the "Old conservatives" did during Viet Nam.

[Mari333]

31. I confront these types often

and they say "Ill support the war from here and go to college" or "Im doing my part"
Horse hockey.
Just like all the chickenhawks who sit at their computers and order pizza and whine.
sickening hypocrisy.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. they will curse bush and call him a liar

[11 Bravo]

33. The same thing the chickenhawk bastards did from '66 -'74.

Those who can afford it will discover an overwhelming need to attend grad school. Others will develop anal cysts. Those named Bush will find themselves in a National Guard unit which never gets called up. The poor and the middle class will continue to fill the role that they have filled for generations ... cannon-fodder.

[truthspeaker]

35. Blame it on Clinton!

Education deferments might not be an option. A lot of people who served in Vietnam have bitter memories of that.

So the freepers will have to pretend to be gay to get kicked out. I suspect an inordinate number of them are closet gays in denial anyway, so they won't even have to be dishonest.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Not to worry. Bush will give business majors an exemption.

The rich folks will always find a way to avoid getting bruised while shedding crocodile tears over "our troops".

[bluestateguy]

37. That's an idea

I hadn't thought of that one. Young business professionals, or business majors could be given defermits on the grounds that they are the "producers" and the "job creators" in the American economy. Definently a possibility.

[tameszu]

39. First: clean up small yellow puddle under pantleg

Second: move to swanky lodge in Switzerland.

[bluestateguy]

41. kick

:kick: