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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:19 PM Original message |
Is Neoconservatism simply a politically correct name for Fascism? |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. No. It is a politically correct name for feudalism |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I am inclined to accept in many respects |
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baffie (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Brilliant! I have long thought their plan is to reduce us to serfdom. |
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arko (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. Don't slam serfdom |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 03:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Serf City, here we come! |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Absolutely correct, DuctapeFatwa |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Agreed, Tansy_Gold |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Tansy that was some damn good word writin' ! |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. <blushing> |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 03:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
66. "Allons, enfants de la Patrie..." |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Merci, |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Ask Mussolini . . . |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. Briefly |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Okay.. here is where I get confused |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. well, I agree that reaganism is seen as the rise of the phoenix |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Okay... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Ok, there is reality and there is belief based on suspension of reality |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The source I have about fascism being an Elite movement |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Thanks for the reference from Teirney I'll try to find a copy |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. As I understand it... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. True, and the Jacksonites, like Richard Perle, brought to the GOP |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I think part of the evolution of that... |
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Flubadubya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I don't see neoconservatives that way at all.... |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Complete disagreement... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. "A neoconservative just as likely to get upset about expansion of power |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. I'm correct |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. No. You're not. how does that explain the Busheviks' actual behavior? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. then why aren't they upset about expansion of power in government? |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I agree these people want to take over the world and... |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. Like I said... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 02:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
63. what's ridiculous about my list? |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. power in government? |
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SahaleArm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. "Intellectually, neocons are children of a common father... |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
6. If so, then what does Neoliberal stand for? |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Actually, neoliberalism refers to a group of economists |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
62. They weren't Republicans |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. it sure seems like it |
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Cannikin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. As a gay man, it sure seems that way to me. |
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necso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. Close but no. |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Hmmm.... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. I'm book marking that, thanks |
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necso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. More |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Right... |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. The key word is TOTALITARIANISM |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. yes, but totalitarianism can be on the left or on the right |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Dems have a similar committee.... |
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noncon_nalevo (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. That's so ... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. totalitarianism is an anti- left thing, imo |
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SahaleArm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. I'd consider true leftism to be Authoritarian... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 02:30 AM Response to Reply #46 |
64. but. "community" = the governed |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. all the way to the left is |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. The way I understand it... |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. yes I would have to agree |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 03:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
67. No, it IS fascism. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. I think there's an ideological difference. |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. but Bush... |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. correct |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 03:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
68. Nuh uh. They're making use of the middle class in exactly the same way. |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yes the buffer theory... |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
34. In broad economic terms: |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. A new name |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
41. My Two Cents |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. This goes right back to the immunity of the corporations. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I Differ Slightly |
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EV1Ltimm (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
49. it's facism with a twist of jesus. |
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markburgess (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
54. "neoconservatism" is most often used as a PC term to imply "zionism" |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. As I Said Earlier, Neo-Conservatism Is A Virus |
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Cannikin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
56. Be sure to check out this thread...Some folks have a different view! hehe |
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Snappy (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
58. Neo-Fascists |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
59. A neoconservative |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-14-04 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
60. I believe its a longer |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-15-04 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
69. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. |
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