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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:37 PM
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Please DU the hell out of this poll.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:38 PM
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1. Done.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:44 PM
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7. thanks. Spread the word!
:toast:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:38 PM
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2. It's lost
eom
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:39 PM
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3. Scroll to the bottom of the page
eom
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Anaxamander Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:39 PM
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4. Results
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:

56%

Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:

37%

The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in Iraq.:

7%
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:40 PM
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5. I received the exact same results.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:41 PM
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6. Bwahahahaha!!!!
:bounce:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:47 PM
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8. I truly hate the way these choices are worded
but I'm getting used to the way they handle these polls.

I'm surprised choice #2 doesn't just say "The world is actually in worse condition, because Saddam was a great man and we miss him so"
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:54 PM
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10. I actually had this jawbreaker type candy in my mouth, A!
And you damn near had me swallowing it as I laughed!! You're really a very clever one, with those little trademark smart ass remarks of yours! Keep it up!

:hi:

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:49 PM
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66. I sneer so as not to weep
I've been sneering a LOT lately!!

:hi:
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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:27 PM
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18. I gotta agree with you about these polls...

These polls are totally asinine in that you are essentially "stuck" with their options. "The world is in worse shape and Saddam should have stayed in power"? What the hell kind of misleading option is that? The world is most certainly in worse shape (99% of the globe is pissed at us, our credibility is shot, etc.), but there is no way I think Saddam should have stayed in power. The problem is, it was not our decision to make, but BushCo made it in America's name anyway.

CNN has a poll as well: "Should we send a man to Mars?" The answers are yes and no, which is why I didn't vote; there was no "Yes, but only if Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, O'Reilly, Coulter, Thomas, etc. are the ones sent."
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:27 PM
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25. Gotta remember, this is a "push poll"...
that is why it is worded the way it is. This way, it plays on your emotions as opposed to what one might truly answer. It is a sad poll, but then again, it was put up by some sad people.

O8)
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:30 PM
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27. Good point, R!
:think:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:27 PM
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44. LOL!!
Felt exactly the same way.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:48 PM
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9. Voted "No change"
nt
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:02 PM
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14. Me as well.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:54 PM
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11. Slight change
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:

55%
Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:

37%
The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in Iraq.:

8%

1320 total votes
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:55 PM
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12. It'll be saying something if Repukes can't even
"Win" their own poll!
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 04:59 PM
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13. Done....n/t
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:11 PM
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15. just voted!

Is the world better off now that the U.S. has captured Saddam Hussein, or would it be better had the U.S. never invaded Iraq?
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:
53%
Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:
39%
The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in Iraq.:
7%
1484 total votes
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:18 PM
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16. Done.
eom
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:24 PM
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17. Done
and what a stupidly worded push poll it was!
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:08 PM
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21. Agreed
They should have worded the first response as follows:

"The world is actually in worse condition because of the anger and resentment that has been stirred up due to the U.S. invasion and continuing occupation of a sovereign nation based on the flimsiest of "evidence" which has since been refuted."
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 05:56 PM
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19. What stupid choices.
Talk about 'framing the debate.'
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 06:28 PM
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20. gee, thi spoll is a bit BIASED!
wouldn't you say?

To say the world is worse off also requires you to claim you want Saddam back in power

To say the US was right to invade to hold Saddam accountable to UN resolutins means you have to ignore that Saddam was complying (however grudgeingly) and that the US ignored the UN to enforce those resolutions more to it's liking.

The last one is apathetic.

i mean, whats even he point of polling? al the answers are slanted to get a particular end.

Oh wait, silly me. This is from the senate republicans. No wonder...
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:16 PM
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22. That's why I voted
that it's in the same condition as before. Which it is. The rich cartels are still looting, raping, and pillaging the population.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:17 PM
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23. No fucking way
This poll is bullshit.

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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:24 PM
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24. I voted.....
.....Current totals:

Quick Poll

Is the world better off now that the U.S. has captured Saddam Hussein, or would it be better had the U.S. never invaded Iraq?
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:

52%

Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:

41%

The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in
Iraq.:

8%

1866 total votes

NEXT! :evilgrin:
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:08 PM
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38. I'm surprised
The wording of the poll was pretty poor. I voted no change but I actually believe we are worse off with Hussein in custody. The Saddam should still be in power part shyed me away from the first. The second selection was total rubbish.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:29 PM
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26. Um gang, do you really think they are going to lose in this poll?
They fix elections, this will be fixed without a second thought.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:42 PM
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28. Very good point indeed! But at least we can scare 'em!
:hurts:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:45 PM
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30. um they ARE losing this poll
and I doubt it was just from DUing it
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:45 PM
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29. now 52% worse off. Didn't appreciate the end of the choice
saying 'Sadam should still be in power'....like their are no other options and the USA hasn't practiced those options repeatedly.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:47 PM
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32. it's loaded
There were a bunch of loaded questions in a pamphlet I got for deciding who to vote for. Some conservative group put out the pamphlet so there were questions like "do you support killing babies"!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:48 PM
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33. Yes, but even with that 'gotcha' phrase, bush*istas LOSE!
:D
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:45 PM
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31. done
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:

52%
Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:

40%
The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in Iraq.:

8%

1904 total votes
show poll
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:30 PM
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34. Now up to 53% world worse off.
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:31 PM
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35. Done/kick.
"Acted rashly" is winning, by a nose hair...
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:04 PM
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37. 2002 votes
and still 53% for acting rashly
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Liberal_Andy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:01 PM
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36. 53% worse off!! 39% better off 8% same
not bad
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:33 PM
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39. Up to 53% world is in worse shape
I don't like the wording of that choice, but I voted for it...
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Exgeneral Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:46 PM
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40. kick
that's a poll that needs DUing if I ever saw one.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:50 PM
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41. Done -- but what a piece-of-crap BIASED poll...
Great choice: "The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly."

Conclusion by the average freeper (IQ somewhere around room temperature): "Yeah, ain't it jus' like all them commie-bastard lib'ruls to still want Saddam in power!"

Goddammit, I am SICK of being demonized, shunted off, talked down to, made the goat.

Liberals are full of anger? You fu**ing bet!!! :kick:
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:10 PM
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42. 55% Saddam should still be power to 37% we are safer.
Screw you republicans! I wonder what sick and twisted bastard came up with that wording?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:20 PM
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43. I'd have to go...
... with "none of the above". The way they phrase the first (worse off) answer is spin.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:28 PM
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45. Gee, two questions in one, how professional!
"The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly."

Um, that would be two separate questions I think.

I mean, everyone knows these online polls aren't scientific (like any polls ARE--you couldn't possibly HAVE such a thing as a "Democratic pollster" or a "Republican pollster" if there were such a thing as "scientific" polling). But still, there are at least SOME standards to how this sort of thing is done. And including TWO questions in the same item is rather a glaringly obvious no-no type way to try to skew your results.

How amusing that in spite of that it's still coming in 58% against the invasion.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:37 PM
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46. They frame the question
like that site someone DUer said today. They frame it to make it look like a no vote makes you the bad guy.

Do you support the tax relief Bush wrote?

You vote no and youre a bad guy. They frame things to make them simple when the answers are complex.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:41 PM
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47. Current results:
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:

60%
Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:

29%
The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in Iraq.:

11%

2862 total votes

I think this reflects poorly on them, don't you?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:21 PM
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49. Yes......They all should be fired ASAP!!!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:53 AM
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60. Yeah, it sure does, considering that we had had 55% of the vote
and now we have 4%. Gee, how did that happen?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:19 PM
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48. Done. but what are the results?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:13 AM
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50. LOL nice leading answer; "Saddam *should* still be in power"
well i sure think the US acted rashly.

Obviously that's not the reason why Saddam "should" still be in power. It's just that if the US would not have acted rashly, the inevitable consequence would be that Saddam would still be in power. That's the lesser of two evils - but it's not the goal. The goal would be not to have the US act rashly.

Having regrets about putting Saddam in power in the first place? Regime change in Iraq? Maybe, but not at any cost.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:16 AM
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51. now US acted rashly: 52% safer world: 45% no difference: 3%
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:27 AM
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52. kick
:kick:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:00 AM
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53. Done
Is the world better off now that the U.S. has captured Saddam Hussein, or would it be better had the U.S. never invaded Iraq?
The world is actually in worse condition, and Saddam should still be in power because the U.S. acted rashly.:

52%
Better off now that the U.S. is upholding U.N. resolutions and holding Saddam accountable for his actions.:

45%
The condition of the world is the same now as it was before the war in Iraq.:

3%

24329 total votes
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:05 AM
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54. Love the wording
of this puke poll, don't you.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:07 AM
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55. This Poll Is Being Manipulatd on the Back End
If you follow this thread, where people report the results at the ime of their votes, you'll see that there is a sudden flip between the "worse off" and "no different" numbers. Curiously, I observe this morning, that the order of the answers has changed in the poll question. "Worse off" is now where "no different" is and vice versa. Other DUers who took the poll during the day yesterday can confirm this.

They've switched the order of the questions but not the underlying, corresponding data. It's a complete and total shame. Apparently, the congressional repukes treat polls the same way they treat ballots.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:54 AM
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61. That is confirmed. The Worse Off had been at the top.
This morning it is at the bottom.

Fucking RIGGED.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:18 AM
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56. Talk about framing the question
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 08:19 AM by kcwayne
"Saddam should still be in power".

How about the option, Saddam should have been removed from power by a multi-lateral initiative?

Oh, excuse me, this is the Animal Farm government, and I am just a bleeting sheep.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:20 AM
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57. Hey. They flipped the questions but not the results.
The first and last questions are in opposite positions. Reminds me of Bill Frist's Healthcare poll a while back. When they don't like the answers, the Repugs change the poll to reflect the results they want.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:51 AM
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59. You are correct
I noticed that too.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:42 AM
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58. turn 180 ; US acted rashly: 4% - safer world: 52% - no difference: 44%
of course we can trust the Senate not to rig such a poll.
they'd never do that, would they?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:16 AM
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62. Black Box Polling.
Diebold created the webpage!
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:26 PM
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63. Bwahahaha !!! Transparent fucking morons!
Is there any doubt about the type of crooks running the US?ë
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:12 PM
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67. You're fucking SHITTING me!!
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 02:14 PM by BullGooseLoony
Somebody needs to write a book on this shit. I oughta have been taking notes or something for the past year. This shit is stacked a mile high.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:31 PM
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64. Different "Poll" up now....
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:37 PM
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65. Complete disdain for public opinion.
These guys despise democracy in all forms. It comes out in little piddling shit like web polls, too.
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