How powerful is the truth ?

[kentuck]

After reading the Buzzflash interview with the Berkeley professor today, it is obvious that we are competing with a political Party that puts lipstick and bangles on lies and sell it as some type of positive agenda. In short, they lie. Before we can do anything, we have to call them on their lies.

We have two or three candidates that have done a good job at calling them on their blatant falsehoods. Clark and Dean have both done a good job, in my opinion. Kucinich has done great. Some of the others are still in denial, but we have to keep the faith.

But we need to be more blunt. If they lie, we need to say they "lied". We don't need to say they "misrepresented" the facts or they "misspoke" or some other term to soften the deed. They "lied".
Period.

The truth is hard to swallow sometimes but that is the most powerful weapon we have at this time. We just have to be willing to use it. Speak truth to power. We must.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. Depends on how much money the teller has. Same as with lies.

[kentuck]

2. Free media is much more valuable than $150 million in ads...

We cannot be afraid of controversy. Controversy will get the free media. Money is not as important as most politicians think.

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. What's the % of people who think Saddam planned 9-11 again?

[kentuck]

4. They haven't heard that Bush "lied"....

at least, if enough had heard it, I would think his numbers might be lower. Democrats need to be on the same songsheet here. Unfortunately, many of them were snookered into supporting the lying pretender and were never comfortable calling Bush a "liar".

[DuctapeFatwa]

5. They have. They consider it a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, like PNAC

I'm not dissing the free media. But the free media is only considered credible by readers and thinkers.

You are talking about reaching people who watched two big buildings implode and then stood out in the dark holding candles chanting "USA" and "evildoers hate freedom."

Then they got on the plane to go home with butane lighers in their pockets.

[DuctapeFatwa]

6. And that he lied about Iraq was a secret that ONeal should not have told

that is what they think about that.

[kentuck]

9. Is that the "truth", DuctapeFatwa ?

It sounds pretty powerful. :)

[DuctapeFatwa]

11. LOL to you, who believe your eyes and brain more than you believe bush

or his henchmen, but most voters not only believe bush, they WANT to believe bush.

You've seen those polls where the same people give him low scores for every issue and then say they have an overall favorable impression.

You've heard everybody who has ever dared to question the regime's explanation of anything from the 9-1151 events to Iraq to the Caspian pipleline an anti-American terrorist sympathizing crackpot tinfoil hat wearing chemtrail-chasing alien abductee cult belonging atheist homosexual agenda pushing puppy killer.

Go talk to some NASCAR dads. They'll tell you the Taliban were never in Texas, that's Art Bell Area 51 crap.

[kentuck]

13. ductapeFatwa, did you read that Buzzflash interview ?

Check it out and let us know what your opinion is of it. We appreciate your insight.

You may be right that most voters "WANT" to believe Bush but just how deep is their support? No doubt they are basing a lot of their support for him out of fear. Do you think the "truth" cannot sway them?

edit fo link:
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/01/int04003.html

[DuctapeFatwa]

14. I read it this morning, it's a good piece, and many people on here

use that technique very effectively.

But "here" is nowhere near the mainstream. "Here" has people who have read the PNAC documents in their entirety, who have read the Patriot Act, who read every raw feed off the newswires and newspapers from a squillion countries, people who can recite you a 9-11 timeline and are aware that the 19 alleged hijackers are by the FBI's own admission, largely a creation of thin air.

People who know names like Karimov and Sistani and Chalabi, who know that Karzai is a UnoCal guy, remember that Massoud was murdered on Sept 9, that boxcutters were banned on airplanes in 1994, people who can tell a Hazara from a Pashtun by sight, who know who Rashid Dostum was even before 2001, know the history of the House of Saud, the fall of the Hashemites into the pit in which they now wallow, know all about Lawrence and Gertrude and Balfour oh my!

The bulk of voters are more likely to confuse Syria with Sicily, and think that Muslims worship a black square thing named Mecca, and Mohammed is their pope who may have died, or not, but he told them to hate America so they do, they don't know much about the Vice President but he's real distinguished, you can tell he knows what he's talking about, and that Bush, he has laid down the law, he knows how to keep them in their place, that's the problem, give em an inch, and they want to take a mile, just like the French people, you know they don't take a bath over there, and then try to tell America what to do, thank God for Bush, he has put them on notice. Oh yes, you have to keep up with the news these days, so much going on, that Scott Shepherd is a mess, ain't he?

[kentuck]

15. So ignorance is our enemy ?

?

[DuctapeFatwa]

16. Yes. Charles Dickens was right :)

[LibertyorDeath]

20. Does it get any better than this America

As so aptly put by DuctapeFatwa this is the TRUTH and these fuckers get to vote and breed.

"You are talking about reaching people who watched two big buildings implode and then stood out in the dark holding candles chanting "USA" and "evildoers hate freedom."

Thanks DF love your posts

[opihimoimoi]

7. Truth ONLY matters if the masses comprehend the message and act on it.

So far, the score shows Delusion ahead in points.

[TrogL]

8. Without control of the media or at least a free media the truth is lost

[kentuck]

10. I don't think we have to necessarily have "control"....

as much as we have to have access and to use that access wisely....not debating issues framed by Sean Hannity and refereed by Alan Colmes.

[adadem]

12. If my children lie and get caught

they are held responsible. Politicians should be treated the same.

"But we need to be more blunt. If they lie, we need to say they "lied". We don't need to say they "misrepresented" the facts or they "misspoke" or some other term to soften the deed. They "lied".
Period."

[DuctapeFatwa]

17. LOL no "bush's statement and the facts may have had some differences?"

[ComerPerro]

18. Who cares? Can you sell it?

Can you get the truth out before being shouted down?

[Mairead]

19. As Sam Clemens ('Mark Twain') said,

the only problem with the bromide 'the truth is mighty and will prevail' is that we have countless examples from our own experience that it's not so.

'A lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on'