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displacedyankeedem Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:22 PM
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Question for Canadian DUers: Is Belinda Stronach Dangerous?
I know Stephen Harper is a really bad joke of a candidate that can't lead the Conservatives to victory. But is Belinda Stronach any better?
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:26 PM
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1. I've never heard of her until a few days ago.
I don't think Canadians are going to want a lifelong corporatist (with no experience in government, I presume) to lead the country. She doesn't speak French, so that won't help her.

But in the picture I saw of her, she is hot, so hey, she has a chance! And when you factor in the fact that every major media source in the country will be on her side, well, then you have a race.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:26 PM
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16. speaking of ...

I don't think Canadians are going to want a lifelong corporatist (with no experience in government, I presume) to lead the country.

As a letter-writer put it in the Globe the other day: we tried that once (with Brian Mulroney), and well, look how that turned out.


I remember years ago when polls were done in the US about the 1972 election. According to what people said about how they had voted, Nixon was not elected President.

Is the *anyone* who admits to voting for Mulroney??

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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:27 PM
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2. Who!??!?
Edited on Wed Jan-14-04 11:28 PM by TrogL
I follow Canadian politics very closely and I have no idea who you're talking about.

(on edit) Is it that billionaire lady? She's a complete unknown. She'd never be ready in time for April.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:34 PM
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3. I don't think she's a credible candidate.
She'll be poison to the core Reform/Alliance voters in the West. The race is too short, and Harper's got too much of a machine. Tony Clement might make a stronger challenge than Stronach, but I think Harper's got it pretty much sewn up.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:19 AM
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12. Then, on the other hand, maybe she is.
I hadn't realized this when I posted earlier, but she's backed by Mulroney, Mike Harris and Ralph Klein. If they would throw their weight behind her, maybe she is dangerous after all. At least, just a little.

Harper stands a chance of wiping the party out east of Alberta. And west of Alberta won't be looking great, either. It might be simple desperation for them to latch onto Stronach, because she's only a potential disaster, whereas Harper's disaster is guaranteed. Or, with those names and unlimited wealth behind her, she could be a disaster for us all. Though not this time.
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displacedyankeedem Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:11 AM
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13. Her endorsements.....
I would think being tied to Brian Mulroney would actually hurt you. I mean we are talking about the man who singlehandedly destroyed the PCs while ensuring that Canada will be ruled by the Liberals for a loooooong time to come.
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displacedyankeedem Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:36 PM
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4. TrogL-Yup that's the one I'm talking about
A Canadian Ann Coulter, who woulda ever thought?
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:32 AM
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14. Nah, not a Canadian Ann Coulter
Probably too moderate for some in the Alliance--especially considering that a lot of the moderate MPs have abandoned the party. Also much more behind the scenes.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:37 PM
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5. I never heard of her before either, but
I wonder if Enza Supermodel Anderson is going to run again for the leadership. I really wanted her to win the leadership last time.



OTTAWA (CP) -- God save the queen: could this be the hot new Canadian Alliance leadership slogan? <snip>

Anderson, 37, describes himself as "drag queen-supermodel extraordinaire" and believes the "best appeal is always a guy in a dress."

<snip>




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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:37 PM
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6. Read her bio...
In 14 years she moved up to chairman of $13 billion company, got called the second most important businesswoman in the world, got named in the "under 40" club, founded a couple of business groups, has a chair at Harvard, and is a member of the US Chamber of Commerce.

She may or may not be dangerous, but she's not to be dismissed.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:43 PM
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7. here she is:


Are those leather pants? I don't want my Prime Minister in leather pants.

And by the way, there are long-standing and not insubstantial rumours of her close, personal friendship with a certain former President of a certain former democracy.

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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:45 PM
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8. See? Told you she was kinda hot.
If I didn't know as much as I currently do about the evils of conservatism, I could definitely see myself voting for her!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:05 PM
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18. It will never work
Canada likes its politicians ugly.
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canuckagainstBush Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:50 PM
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9. She won't win the leadership anyway n/t
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:14 AM
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10. I interned at the Magna International HQ down the hall from her
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 12:15 AM by tameszu
Not dangerous--she's basically a smarter, better educated Paris Hilton. She helped run a charity that tried to get athletes to contribute to the developing world with her Olympic skier hubby.

Attractive for her age, although it's likely she got some, er, surgical help. If she gets elected, it will be another attempt to "Dubya-fy" the Canadian Alliance. Her father's politics are more rightish Liberal, so she really would have been a better fit with the PCs--that and her, eh, "linkages" with the Big Dog, make her a rather odd fit for the nutbars at the CA.
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Parrcrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:25 AM
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11. Her Father is Frank Stronach
The jerk who gave himself a $47 million bonus a few years back and then claimed that he worked so hard and long that it came out at about minimum wage.

Another 'entitled' spoiled brat.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:20 AM
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15. No. This is an act of desperation on the part of people who are determined
to stop my preffered candidate, Stephen Harper. She's unilingual with no political experience. Let's face it, she's in on looks and because of who she isn't. I'd happily face her in an election.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:43 PM
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17. Belinda Stronach bankrolled Peter MacKay
... in his run at the PC leadership: she contributed 90% of his campaign expenses, as I recall. Her present candidacy obviously leaves MacKay without a funding base / organization for any shot at the leadership of the new party himself. Quelle curious twist of fate.


The older among us know Magna (a major producer of parts for the auto industry) and its founder, Belinda's daddy Frank, for his tooth-and-nail, decades-long fight against unionization of Magna workplaces.

Here's a Canadian Autoworkers Union article from 1999. (CAW used to be part of the UAW that represents autoworkers in the US, and is now an independent Canadian union; its leadership, e.g. Buzz Hargrove, tends to be loyal to / prominent in the NDP).

http://www.caw.ca/news/factsfromthefringe/issue14.asp

It had all the ingredients of Hollywood drama. It was a clash of titans: the CAW battling with DaimlerChrysler to force Magna International to recognize the union at a plant in Windsor, on independent confirmation that a majority of its employees had joined the union. There were flamboyant personalities: Buzz Hargrove, Frank Stronach, and some guy from DaimlerChrysler that nobody can remember.

There was nail-biting suspense: hours from the deadline, the union was poised to strike. There was the obligatory last-minute setback: the union backed away, and Magna looked like the winner. But then, at the end, a big dose of poetic justice: workers at the plant voted to join the CAW anyway. Just like Norma Rae, except without the hillbilly accents.

... Consider the circumstances of democracy, Magna-style. Only one side in the vote has access to the voter's list. With no spending limit, it can mail reams of material to each voter's home —at times even using courier services. The other side doesn't know for sure how many voters there are, let alone where they live. Anti-union advertizing is prevalent, but pro-union hats or buttons can be banned as a "safety hazard." The polling site is patrolled by private police. Anti-union "focus groups" are held during working hours, with compulsory attendance. Electronic signs flash "Vote No" messages right through each shift. Enlarged sample ballots, with a prominent X in the desired spot, are posted prominently.

This sounds more like an election in North Korea (where they also use secret ballots), than a true expression of democracy. Most importantly, the voters are repeatedly threatened, implicitly or explicitly, that their jobs will disappear if they vote for the union. For example, the plant manager wrote to all employees before the vote, wondering aloud why DaimlerChrysler would continue to buy Magna's seats if the company's non-union advantage was eroded. (To its credit, DaimlerChrysler issued a letter clarifying that its business with Magna would be unaffected by the vote, and this was probably important to the final outcome.)


Apparently Belinda S. is not a "social conservative" of the true Alliance sort. Another Globe letter-writer, a reader in San Diego, compared her to Arnold S. in that respect, and pointed out that there had to be very particular circumstances present for a celeb non-politico to secure such high office.

In Arnold's case, he didn't have to run the primary gauntlet, in which those in his party who opposed him on those "social" issues could have prevented him from becoming the party's candidate. Belinda doesn't have that advantage. I don't see her successfully beating back a strong, known-political-factor candidate.

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