Why does Clinton keep defending Bush?

[fujiyama]

I heard a few days ago that Clinton made another statement somewhat defending Bush for going to war...It had something to do with him telling the Portugese Prime Minister, that he believed Saddam had WMD...

This is atleast the SECOND time, I've heard Clinton defending Bush's Iraq policy. The first was on Larry King's show, which was also ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR.

While I seriously hate these ridiculous conspiracy theories of the Clintons wanting the dems to lose the '04 election to have Hillary run in '08, I must say I'm amazed at his lack of concern for the democratic candidates trying to make their case against the war, or atleast making their case against how Bush is handling the aftermath.

Why can't he keep his mouth shut for once? I understand, he can't be constantly attacking Bush*, but why keep defending him? Is it because the Clinton administration also had an irrational fixation on the boogeyman of Baghdad? I personally believe the case can be made that so much intelligence was focused on Iraq from both this administration and the last, we lost focus on Intl. terrorism, and therefore never really saw 9/11 about to happen.

Seriously, I never have been one of those Clinton haters. I believed he did a lot of good. His veto power is especially sorely missed. I thought he capitulated a few too many times with various business interests (leading to the signing of some VERY bad legislation such as the DMCA and the tellecommunications act), but I had been able to forgive him to some extent.

However his making excuses for Bush's intelligence failures, the fruitless search for WMD, and the irrational and foolish war that led up to this mess, is inexcusable.

That, and Hillary's recent "joke" regarding ethnic sterotypes are making me dislike the Clintons greatly. I have already decided that if Hillary runs, I would in no way vote for her (for the nomination or otherwise). She's even closer to business interests than her husband was, voting for crap that he vetoed.

I never understood why people wanted her to run when we have a great field of candidates such as Kerry, Edwards, Dean, and Clark (I myself don't believe he's some kind of puppet for the Clintons).

[maveric]

1. He's seen the film of the JFK assasination that Bill Hicks speaks of.

The one that the public hasnt seen. The one taken from the Grassy Knoll.

He may have been told to behave.

[Syrinx]

9. details?

Bill Hicks was a genius, but I don't claim to be an expert on him. Tell me more.
Please. :)

[maveric]

13. Hicks says that every newly elected president..

is taken into a smoky room filled with corporate giants, who procede to show him the JFK shooting taken from an angle not seen before. From the Grassy Knoll.

[Syrinx]

15. I may be insane (I don't think so)

But I actually believe the Bush family was very involved in the assassination of Kennedy and the attempt on Reagan. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[maveric]

16. Ditto! n/t

[worldgonekrazy]

27. If you are insane you aren't the only one n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

2. My response to people who trot Clinton out to support their Bush worship..

"Excuse me? Are we talking about the same Bill Clinton that you regularly referred to as a 'pathological liar' for the 8 years he was president? Now you have decided that everything he said is the truth and his word is coin of the realm? So is he pathological liar or fount of all knowledge?"

It sets a logic feedback into the brains of the neocons that cause their heads to explode.

[cprise]

12. Excuse me?

Where are Clinton's liberal credentials?

Clinton is a well-educated ACTOR. He gave the henhouse to the mega-corporations and waged economic war on the 3rd world... all he got for it was hefty campaign contributions and martyr status for all those scandals.

It doesn't matter that Clinton didn't resort to draconian measures. He gave all the power to brainwash and monopolize to the corporate back-stabbers who are now pushing the FEAR and WAR buttons almost every minute on television.

[Liberal Veteran]

17. While I don't disagree that Clinton was a whore for the business world...

...trying to convince neocons/freepers that Clinton was not a liberal for the most part and ruled from the center-to-right would be an exercise in futility. Most neocons think anyone even marginally to the left of them are liberals and even acuse some of those who are to the right of them (including Zell Miller) are liberals. They think in binary: If you are not with us (a neo-con), you are against us (a liberal).

[cprise]

20. I don't base my worldview on freeper sensibilities

... I consider what the world has to say and work from there. And the word on the global street is that NEOLIBERALS are raping the planet.

[corporatewhore]

25. NAFTA/WTO are proof of liberalism Neo liberalism that is

[BackDoorMan]

28. HERE, HERE...

WTO, INF, Trilateral Commission, CFR member. Globalism and Skull & Bones? It's all to keep us, performing for them as peasant workers, as if they haven't succeeded already? They are ALL part of the same team, (the Rothschids, David Rockefeller, etc.) Which controls and owns the corporate media. Realize it!

[dansolo]

31. Clinton was elected because of personality, not policy

Clinton was a much better person and President than Bush could ever hope to be, but the fact of the matter is that Clinton was extremely flawed. In some ways he may have been the worst thing to happen to the Democratic party, because his success has forced people to vigorously defend his numerous indefensable actions. And now the DLC are stuck with the mindset that they must emulate Clinton to be successful, which will not work unless you have the personality of Clinton.

[Poiuyt]

3. I agree

Especially since now bush is claiming that he just follwed Clinton's policy of regime change.

I don't believe Clinton lost focus, however. He did tell bush during his exit interview that bin Laden was the greatest threat to the US, not Saddam.

[Tinoire]

4. Because Bush's Iraq is Clinton's Iraq too

Clinton did starve, sanction and incessantly bomb them for 8 years straight.

Remember Operation Desert Fox?

Remember Berger and Albright being pelted at OSU when they tried to sell re-escalating the war because of "the WMDs".

Clinton can't do anything BUT support Bush because the hypocrisy would be too obvious.

It's been one long, sad 13 year war against Iraq.

Voices In The Wilderness

[cprise]

14. Coke is better than Pepsi

...it has a bit less sugar.

[Woodstock]

21. I wish he' d keep his yammer shut until after the election, then

There will be plenty of time to defend his record AFTER we get Bush out of office.

[peacetalksforall]

5. He has the ability and the mike - he can say the right thing

and he isn't doing it.

The only good word we have received and it appears to have been true is that he would not agree to an Iraq invasion after being asked to by the Cheney's PNACer group in 1998.

[madrchsod]

6. is clinton running for office?

the clinton crap belongs over at freeperville

[LTR]

7. 'Executive Respect'

As a rule, ex-presidents don't bash the current guy.

This is customary.

Big Dog's hands are kinda tied, me thinks.

[madrchsod]

8. your are right

it`s the office not the man. i`m sure clinton has made it known to certain people just how he feels....

[ZenLefty]

10. That's exactly how I understand it

ari fleischer once made a disparaging comment about the previous presidency. It was one of the few things the press didn't give him a free pass on. Presidents rarely, if ever, speak badly of the current president or any bad presidents, and it was considered inappropriate even for bush's spokesmouse to say something like this.

[Kinkistyle]

19. Carter defies the unwritten "Ex-President Rule"

Its an official "unwritten rule" that ex-presidents not disparage the current sitting president, but Carter has the balls to do it all the time.

[Woodstock]

22. Carter is a great guy - I really admire him

I wish Clinton would take a page from his book.

[Catherine Vincent]

11. Yet another Clinton bashing thread....

Look, if Clinton said he thought Saddam had WMD is because the SOB did have them at one point. Clinton has said it several times while he is in office. What? You want him to say now he doesn't think Saddam had WMD? Then folks like you and the freakfreeps will say once a liar always a liar.

You people really make me sick!

[cprise]

18. Then why not sign up for that Clinton Health Care plan?

To find it, just follow the signs that say "sideshow" and "distraction".

And remember, Bill Clinton and Tony Blair are both cut from the same political cloth. What changed for Tony (and the Clintons) is that Iraq tried to pull a leg out from under the dollar by switching currecy reserves and oil pricing to Euros.

[rman]

23. but "*had* WMD" is no reason to go to war is it. Why's he defending B*?

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[Woodstock]

24. This is what I ask of Clinton for the next 10 months or so

And I don't think it's too much to ask. Keep the goal of getting Bush out of office front and center. Any public statements he makes should support that goal. Anything else can wait.

Defending his presidential record can come in December. After the crap we put up with because he couldn't pick a mature woman who knew how to be discreet to unzip for, this is the least he can do.

[cprise]

29. Clinton threw a tantrum during ME peace negotiations (at end of his term)

He wanted the credit for HIMSELF and as a result tanked the whole process!

He is too self-centered.

I still can't believe it!

[grasswire]

30. say what????????

CLINTON tanked the peace process?

I think not.

Richard Perle interfered in the process. (An act of treason.) He convinced the Israelis to not complete the agreement.

Look it up.

Bill Clinton worked like a dog to get that agreement finalized.

[Woodstock]

32. Where the heck did you get that?

I completely disagree with your statements.

He was not wise with his sex life while in the most visible position in the world - and it caused us and the party a lot of grief. But while it's true he was indiscreet in his personal life while in this visible position, the Republican witch hunters made his personal life into a savage political fiasco.

And sometimes Clinton gets caught up in defending his record as president instead of focusing on the November goal, thus says stuff supporting Bush that makes us wonder, "What is he thinking?"

But there my argument with Clinton ends.

[DicklessCheney]

26. Clinton beholden to same power structure as Bush

No surprise here. Clinton was beholden to same power structure as Bush, and for some reason his loyalty has remained intact. Perhaps he still has plans for a political future (or his wife), or perhaps that's just the kind of person he is.