If CBS refuses to run MoveOn.org Ad will you boycott the Superbowl?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

I will. I suggest we send e-mails right now!

" A spokesman for CBS said the Viacom-owned network has received the request from MoveOn to run the ad in the Super Bowl, but added that the ad has to go through standards and practices before CBS will say if it can run an advocacy ad during the game. The spokesman said he didn't think it was likely that the spot would pass standards and practices"

http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39555

[Racenut20]

1. Only if the Eagles are playing...LOL

[Ishoutandscream]

18. I feel sorry for Houston if the Eagles play

When the AFC rep kicks their butts, there will probably be wide spread rioting not just in Philly, but by Philly fans who made the trip to Houston. Hell, they would riot if Philly won, but they never can win the big one anyway.

No, I probably won't watch. The Cowboys won't be playing, so I'll have other things better to do.

[tom_paine]

75. Just becuase Cowboy fans are jealous, don't take it out on us.

Cowboy Fans should just weep quietly to themselves in a corner, partiuclarly since Jerry Jones is a piece of work who is going to force Parcells to try to win with his "handpicked" QB, Quincy Carter.

You know, the Quincy Carter who's an interception machine...the Quincy Carter with the worst case of happy feet I've seen in a long while. The Quincy Carter who make Mark Bulger look like Joe Montana. Now THAT is going to be fun to watch.

My oh my, the bitterness of Cowboy fans is showing today.

I'm enjoying this, no matter what happens with the Eagles.

For some reason, Cowboy fans seem to have the classic bully's mentality. They can dish it out, but when things don't go right for them, they either curl up in a corner or whine like Rush.

(why is it that I am certain ole Rush is a Cowboys fan--maybe because he's a frontrunning crybaby and a thin-skinned hypocrite? maybe so...maybe so)

[Ishoutandscream]

97. Cowboy fans dishing it out and not taking it

Boy, that's a good one. I guess the flying batteries and cheering of paralyzed players is a good criteria to base all of that on.

Jealous, huh? When your guys get a ring (which once again won't happen) maybe you have room to talk. Until then, keep hoping.

This is the third time around for your team. Hope they don't blow it. The window of opportunity IS CLOSING!!

[tom_paine]

104. Philly fans can dish it out AND take it

And the same tired old "jealous" argument is a bore.

The Nazis had a lot of success. Would I be jealous of them? The Busheviks have had plenty of success, particularly in the Kennedy-murdering capital of Amerikan Fascism, Dalls, should I be jealous of them? Or contemptuous?

Customarily, a Cowboy fan rsorts to the same tired bullshit when confronted.

Cowboy fans have little else to say but the same thing over and over ad nauseum.

If I were you, I would come on up to Philly next year so that you can show us how a Dallas fan can dish it out and take it, too. Oh, that's right, I forgot. You're afraid.

However, I'd be more than happy to go down to Dallas and not only wear my Eagles jersey, but cheer my ass off.

Now I do know that Cowboy fans, like actual Cowboys themselves (I lived in Montana for many years so I should know) are a scaredy bunch except when the odds are big in their favor.

Then they get all tough. However, I'd STILL be willing to walk right into the capital of Amerikan Facsism with my Eagles' jersey proudly. Maybe I will.

Oh, and by the way, I must be jealous of Dick Cheney because he has wealth I don't. Katherine Hariis, too.

You got me. I just wish I could be a frontrunner and worship Amerika's Team. I just wish I lived in the capital of Amerikan facsism where you likely wax nostalgic about how you splatered the brain of that Yankee Liberal all over the pavement when he dared to come down to your place.

I am VERY jealous of Dallas' facsist reputation, and I am jealous of all the lynchings you guys had and how you killed Kennedy, too.

You got me pegged. I'm jealous of EVERYONE who has something I don't.

Everyone. And that includes the mailman because he has that cool mailbag of his.

Come on up to Philly, pal. I'll show you around. Don't forget to wear your Dallas jersey.

[Ishoutandscream]

120. I love vague threats, pal

Especially when you do it behind a keyboard in your parents' house. You are certainly a jealous little boy - you and your "friends" are going to get me.

You are insane, aren't you? Dallas did kill Kennedy. I swear I was one of the shooters on the grassy knoll. I have read Clint Murchison was behind it, and even Tom Landry had knowledge of it. My God, how insane you and whoever believes such tripe are.

Hey, wasn't it nice what happened yesterday? Everything I have said about Philly and its fans are true. It was particularly sweet.

It's all over. Heads will roll. Doubts creep in. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN FOR YOU!!

At least in Dallas, you won't get harassed for wearing an Eagles jersey. Just laughed at.

Bushevik signing off. (What a lunatic you are).

[tom_paine]

121. I said that I was sorry you lived in your parents' basement

What more do you want? I'm sorry for your situation. I'm sure it will improve. However, you shouldn't project. It's not healthy for you.

Myself, as I said: I own my own home. Both my parents have passed away, so I couldn't live in their home even if I wanted to.

Further, everything you said about Philly was false. There was no riot, no cars overturned, no nothing.

Not that it surprises me that you are inacapble of distiunguishing truth from lies, or your own internal fantasies from reality.

I am a supporter of my team and will continue to be so. Your insistence that I am jealous of you or your team further reflects your puscillanimous nature.

Why would I be jealous of someone who still lives with his parents at such an advanced age as yours?

(you still didn't answer my question...what DO you do for a living that forces you to live with your parents at such an advanced age...I understand you're ashamed, but let it out & you'll feel better)

[flatbroker]

80. If the cowboys being in the superbowl is your criteria

for watching it you should have that weekend open for many years to come.

[tom_paine]

91. Nice ne, flatbroker!

Hey I think it's pretty funny that, after hiring Parcells, the Cowboys have the THIRD BEST COACH in the NFC East.

Good job, Jerry Jones! And an even better job of "handpicking" that interception machine, Quincy Carter. Making the Tuna try to win a Super Bowl with that stiff at QB is also going to be fun to watch.

[Ishoutandscream]

99. Remember - the window of opportunity is closing

Lose the NFC title game, or the Bowl, and heads will start to roll in Philly. What little confidence is left will be shaken. I'm trying to think what will be funnier - Philly fans crying in their parents' basements, or watching the fine Philly citizenry burning cars and businesses downtown.

If Philly wins Sunday, watch out my fine Houston friends. You better call out the riot police for what will be heading your way.

[tom_paine]

105. Actually, most Eagle fans are hardworking homeowners

Like me.

I'm sorry you live in your parents basement, but buck up. Things will get better for you, I'm sure. And please stop projecting your problems onto the others whom you don't like.

That's not playing nice.

And I have to admit the fear of Philly fans you seem to have is coming off you in waves. Man, the stench of fear reeks!

But I suppose many Dallas folks share it.

Finally, your ignorant caricatured vision of Philly fans is funny. Spoken like someone who never had the guts to come up to the Vet and fly their colors.

The truth is, the only people who generally get hurt at Eagles games are the assholes who taunt the Eagles fans around them.

Two Giant fans sat in my section in a sea of green in their Giants' jerseys two months ago and nothing happened to them. Why? Because they were nice and didn't taunt the fans around them, even when the Giants recovered a fumble early on.

So maybe that it is understandable why you fear coming to the Linc to watch a game.

Phew! Something reeks in here.

[Ishoutandscream]

102. So Parcells is behind Gibbs and Coughlin?

And speaking of QBs, I remember those brilliant Eagle fans booing the choice of McNabb during the draft. Oh, those cerebral Philly fans.

Chastise Jerry all you want, but the man has experienced 3 Super Bowl wins in his tenure. Again, HOW MANY HAS PHILLY EXPERIENCED?

[tom_paine]

107. The usual blah blah blah

Is that all you got?

Please, for the love of God.,..I know you're a Cowboys fan, but can't you come up with something new???

You just going to repeat the same over and over?

Sure, Philly doesn;t have a Super Bowl. But then, neither do 3/4 of the NFL teams, do they?

Are they ALL jealous of the Cowboys?

Wake me when you come up with something new. Which of course means I'll not be awakened at all.

What is it about Dallas fans that makes them such puscillanimous wimps? Perhaps you can shed some light on it.

By the by, I am a molecular biologist. Cerebral enough for ya'? What do YOU do for a living?

[Ishoutandscream]

98. Uh, if that was the case with your team (maybe the Eagles)

You haven't watched the game in what, 24 years. By the way, number of Super Bowl trophies sir or madame?

[tom_paine]

109. Good God!

It is possible for you to be more repetitious and boring?

The same crap over and over and over.

Are all Cowboys fans as bright and original as you?

I think they are.

[October]

35. Jealous! ...LOL

[Mistress Quickly]

2. I don't know why

they wouldn't run the ad. There's nothing at all wrong with it.

Maybe some half nekkid super models should be added, that would pass the standards right?


Oops, is my sarcasm showing?

[Onward]

3. I will

..what the email address?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

11. Its Les Moonves' e-mail we need

I sent him an e-mail about the stupid "new Beverley Hillbillies" idea. I've got to find it. Stay tuned!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

16. Got it - e-mail for boycott

This is the CEO's e-mail: [e-mail]

I'm going to urge him to air it or I'll boycott their advertisers. Even if nothing comes of it I'll be able to sleep better!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

93. e-mail doesn't work

will find another

[Sperk]

4. I always boycott the superbowl, so you can't go by me

:evilgrin:

[mlawson]

106. I would rather watch PAINT DRY, than to look at it.

Why should I care who wins??? Or even who is playing in it??

The only good thing about it, is that when they get to the super bowl, it means we are closer to Spring.

[trogdor]

5. absofrickinlutely!

n/c

[dennis4868]

6. I am not a football fan so....

I wont be watching the game anyway....rather spend time with my wife and kids then sit in front of the TV for 4 hours!

[Monument]

7. the ad will backfire

You'll have 40 Million Americans tuning in to watch a sporting event and nearly every one of them will say to themselves "So now they have to go about ruining the game? Why do they have to take something so pure and ruin it with attack politics?"

Getting press is a good thing, but it's like PETA handing out those flyers. It'll make moveon.org seem like a bunch of fringe lunatics.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

12. I disagree

this ad is of very high technical standards and the message is strong and, I think, will play well to the tube jocks and the many non-football people who watch just for the commercials.

[Rainbowreflect]

19. Great plan, don't say anything because it might turn off

the people who's minds you will never change anyway.

[trogdor]

31. Oh yes, only Republicans should ever open their mouths.

Why don't we just duct-tape ours and hope people will see how nice we are.

As if.

Let's see...MoveOn telling us how our kids will be paying for the foolishness of our federal government vs. PeTA telling us that eating hamburgers is murder (more like engaging in unprotected sex with strangers, but that's a bit off-topic).

They're not accusing anyone of being a Communist or a Nazi. Lighten up.

[TeeYiYi]

62. Ruining the game? . . .

Wait until they figure out what *Bush is doing to ruin their lives and the lives of their children and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren . . .

TYY

[blondeatlast]

116. Did you see the ad? Very low key, not the least bit "fringey".

I suggest you take a look.

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

[Loonman]

8. Sure

Not!

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. I have already boycotted the SuperBowl...

my beloveds won't be there. :hi:

[theboss]

10. Only if my bookie does

I tend to follow my investments closely.

[absyntheNsugar]

13. Yes...

n/t

[FreakinDJ]

14. Sounds like a really good ad

It is going to hit home with the Rush's mindless minions. The Stupid Twits.

I heard the local Limbaugh literature spewing ditto headed Talk (propaganda) show host trying to link Move_on to the DNC

HAHAHA

It is hard to believe that for all the hate mongering faithful, their hatred and bigotry mean more to them then their wallet. I really like the way the ad brings it all home.

[trogdor]

32. Of course, they could air it during the fourth quarter...

...when the dittomonkeys are all too drunk to care, and everybody else has turned off the TV after one team has opened up the usual 42 point lead. That way, CBS takes their $1.6 million, the lefties are pacified, and the other sponsors don't collectively shit themselves.

I think the Stupid Bowl is overrated anyway.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

15. There are other reasons to boycott the Superbowl

such as the fact that it is the largest commercial television event of the year. Boycotting it is like participating in Adbusters' Buy Nothing Day on the day after Thanksgiving-the busiest shopping day of the year.

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. For that reason alone

I wouldn't boycott.

It is the Super Bowl after all.

[KFC]

47. That is the lamest reason I have ever heard

Boycotting it just because it is the biggest television event of the year.

I thought Yogi Berra was dead.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

48. see post 37

[MrBenchley]

17. No.....and I half hope they won't

it will get more publicity if it isn't run....and it will put the cherry on top of the "Bush is Hitler" uproar...

After all, if you cannot criticize the fuehrer in public....

[Lydia Leftcoast]

20. Why watch the Super Bowl at all?

Thirty-some years ago, the pro sports world hit upon the idea of convincing the American public that a match up between two teams of overpaid behemoths was an annual event of earthshaking importance.

Win or lose, those guys are paid handsomely for running around and ramming into one another. Some people enjoy watchiing that, but since both teams are by definition winners, nothing important rides upon the outcome.

It's discouraging to see the public all worked up over the Super Bowl, to the extent that they will take to the streets to celebrate if their local team of millionaires-who-will-gladly-desert-them-if-a-better-offer-comes-along wins. Meanwhile, the daily offenses against our civil liberties bring yawns.

The media have succeeded in providing yet another dependable hit of opium for the American public--and a captive audience for commercials.

[ArkDem]

21. Just because you don't like sports doesn't mean

those who enjoy athletic competition have any less intelligence.

[theboss]

22. One question for you:

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Oh, I kid, I kid. The Super Bowl is always a let-down. But real football fans know that the great football games are this weekend with the conference championships.

And there are two games to bet instead of one.

[PVnRT]

23. Yeah, who needs distractions?

We should all be wired into CSPAN 24 hours a day, with short breaks only to read alternative media. There is no time for fun! :eyes:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

25. I'm not talking about "not having fun"

I'm talking about realizing that your leisure activities aren't a holy and historically significant sacrament. It's a matter of maintaining the proper perspective, which the American public evidently does not. Riot over sporting events, yawn when someone talks about civil liberties. That's not healthy.

I watch the Olympics myself, but I wouldn't tell someone else to stop talking during a broadcast or refuse to take phone calls or turn down a social invitation or especially riot over the results.

[theboss]

39. Sacrilege

Jack Lambert was a god. At least a demi-god.

Sports are about community, something liberals are supposed to be into. I've gone into a bar to watch a Steelers game and come out with an invitation to a stranger's birthday party. Why? Because we like the same team. I've hugged strangers because of sports. I've cried with friends because of sports. Sports has made me call my father fifteen times in one day.

I've been involved in politics my whole life; it's never had that "communal" affect on me. It's mostly been annoying people by rining their doorbell during dinner time and making signs.

SO, yes, sports is a sacrament.

[GinaMaria]

101. glad you found a sense of community

It's something I wish for everyone. I've experienced it without sports in all sorts of different settings. Get it where you can find it I guess.

[PVnRT]

44. Americans are not alone in rioting

In fact, we do it a hell of a lot less than those in, say, Europe, who are held by most here to much better people than Americans.

And, to my knowledge, no Americans have ever started a war over the outcome of a sporting event like they did once in Central America.

As for historic significance, we have Jackie Robinson, Arthur Ashe, and the fact that it was the NFL denying Phoenix the chance to host a Super Bowl that eventually convinced them to recognize and celebrate Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

No, sports aren't all-important, but I get a little tired of the attitude that somehow anyone who is more than a casual fan of one sport or another is some kind of narrow-minded half-wit who could care less about the rest of the world. It's simply not true, and elitist on top of that.

[Muddleoftheroad]

26. Sports

OK, that sounds like a cross between sour grapes and ivory tower BS. Lots of DUers find football, baseball, basketball and even Nascar entertaining.

That doesn't make us less politically or socially active, it just means that we have other pursuits as well.

And, if you think that both teams are by definition winners, you need some lessons in the whole concept of competition. One team wins, the other is largely forgotten. The Buffalo Bills went on a streak of four Super Bowl appearances -- losing every one. Instead of receiving acclaim for such an epic performance, they were recognized for their futility as one of the biggest "loser" franchises of all time.

Winners are remembered, losers all-but forgotten.

[Caution]

27. Clearly you don't actually know anything about football

It's really too bad when someone who is a leftist is unable to get past the stereotypes that surround sports. Sports are a very enjoyable form of entertainment that can be very rewarding and cerebral for those who follow them. Is the Superbowl a commercialized event? Sure, but what isn't? Would Dickens have been as prolific a writer if he hadn't been handsomely paid? Would Da Vinci have been able to accomplish what he did without his wealthy sponsors who loved his art?

Football is most assurdly not about behemoths just "running around and ramming into one another" Football is probably the single most complex and cerebral of the various professional sports out there, requiring intelligence on the parts of the players, huge amounts of skill and technique and at it's best is like a chess match.

Have you ever actually met a professional athlete? Certainly there are those who really just care about the money and nothing else, but that is the same in any walk of life. Many professional athletes embrace their community, most start charitable foundations which you never hear about until that foundation helps you out. One of my personal favorite athletes is a former Boston Red Sox player who has donated millions to cancer research and makes weekly trips to the Dana Farber institute to meet with and bring a quick thrill to children with cancer. He absolutely refuses to talk about it in the press and hardly anyone in boston is even aware that he does this, simply because he doesn't want to be labeled as someone who does charity work simply because it is expected.

As for the superbowl players not caring about the outcome...well clearly you don't know much about professional sports. In order to reach that level you must be truly dedicated to your sport and you must be fiercely competatitve. These people care and they work all year to reach that goal. Maybe that goal seems unimportant to you, but to them and to the millions of fans out there, winning the Superbowl is a great feeling.

I will not boycott the Superbowl this year if CBS decides not to run the MoveOn ad simply because I don't think it appropriate to punish myself or the NFL for the actions of CBS. I will write to CBS and express my displeasure and I would be disappointed in the network, but I won't sacrifice a day of great enjoyment which distracts me from the iniquities of the current administration. An occasional distraction from every day travails is not a bad thing, IMHO it is a required thing otherwise you can become a truly miserable person because of the incredible amount of poverty, disease, inequality, and injustice that occurs every day in the life of every person.

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[Uzybone]

74. Excellent post

I have long since tired of phony elitists who somehow think not watching sports is a barometer of thier sophistication.

[Terwilliger]

79. While I appreciate everything you say

Professional sports are an opiate for the masses. Gives people something else to do while the important things about life in the world are virtually ignored.

[Loonman]

83. Yeah, entertainment is counterproductive

We must eat brown rice and march for the proletariat.

[Forkboy]

86. Where did he say that?

What he says is true...and I'm a huge sports fan.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

110. I agree-and I'm a rabid Boston sports fan

but it's very easy to use sports as a distraction from real life. Just ask me between April and September.

[Terwilliger]

88. no, but taking care of the proletariat would be a start

not helpful to paint it in black and white terms

there's a lot of disincentive involved in mass media and entertainment...for example, the influence of cable "news" television, which is actually entertainment dressed up as news

I don't think employing rational decisions in civil government a plea for the negative utopia of stalinist control that you suggest. Entertainment is a massive diversion from matters that are more pressing.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

89. Did you really just compare football with Dickens and Da Vinci?

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. My sport is basketball and I love it and wax poetic about it but I would never begin to compare it to the masterworks of great artists and thinkers. You've got to be kidding.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. YES!

[K8-EEE]

29. If The Refuse To Air It, It Would Be Great Publicity

I think a lot of people would go looking for it out of curiosity if they refused to air it; it would be the subject of talk shows and stuff so in a way they would get a lot of free Super Bowl publicity that way.

CBS has "standards??" And part of the standards are not pointing out that GWB has gotten us into a deficit our kids will be paying for.

I HATE FOOTBALL! But if it were my fave sport (baseball) yeah I would probably not watch it. Cuz that is bogus...they run so many slezy and misleading ads, this one has a TRUE point to make.

[Butterflies]

30. yes

absolutely :dem:

[el_gato]

33. watching sports is a waste fo time IMHO

some of you should read "the society of the spectacle" by Debord

[RandomKoolzip]

54. Thank you for bringing up Debord....

Remember, the same advertisors who sponsor the NFL, NBA, etc. are the same ones making life for the poor harder all over the world.


I hate sports....but if you wanna watch, go ahead.

[Monte Carlo]

34. I wish I could say yes...

... but I am a very weak and corruptable creature, and I would love to see the Pats start a dynasty in football with a Superbowl win.

[worldgonekrazy]

94. My thinking as well

YES, I will boycott the Superbowl...unless the Patriots are playing ;)

CBS doesn't have to know that though. I already sent them an email saying I will boycott the Superbowl, CBS, Viacom, and all Viacom subsidiaries. I can't possibly live up to that! :)

[PATRICK]

36. Yo-

If you break those barriers, guess who has more money to do Pataki style ads featuring the Fearless Peerless leader? You are lucky CBS has any standards or they'd say yes in a heartbeat, bury the ad in a bad slot and run a gazillion feel good ads about the war hero or his successes.

I'd say think of time slots like guerrilla warfare and move around far wide and strategically. the Super Bowl costs too much anyway and the watchers are tuned out against reality and would not want to be woken up just then.

[GiovanniC]

38. The Simple Fact Is

Most of the time, people pay no attention to commercials... with one exception.

The Superbowl.

Lots of people turn on the Superbowl for no other reason than to watch the commercials.

So yeah, you can spend a couple million on tons of ads that will run while everyone goes to the kitchen to make a sandwich, or goes to the bathroom, or flips to another channel. Or you can pay a couple of million for one ad that everyone will pay attention to.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

41. Now those are some good points

You've got me to see in a new light. Thank you. It might be more advantageous to run during Survivor or the simple life or any other mind-numbing reality show that my cubilcle mates blather endlessly about.

Thank you :toast:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

37. Other than the question of sports being a worthwhile pasttime (it is, btw)

what about all the commercials. I see it as a great opportunity to opt out of participating in the hyper-consumerism of the event. I know that this flies in the face of the concept of putting another commercial into the mix but I really feel that the SuperBowl is a symbol of the Madison ave Corporate Mega Behemoth that is our commercial society. I say make the SuperBowl Read a Book Day.

Plus I'm a college BAsketball fan - GO HUSKIES!! :)

[KittyWampus]

40. Has Anyone Ever Found Out If Their Policy Precludes Political Ads?

has anyone found out if they had a pre-existing policy to not run political ads during the Super Bowl?

[BurtWorm]

42. I'll have no problem with that.

I boycott it by default every year. I hate football. But I might actually tune in if they do run it.

[creativelcro]

43. What standards and practices ?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

45. the only standards and practices at CBS are:

1) make as much money as possible

2) don't shoot your paycheck in the foot

[ElementaryPenguin]

49. Yes! Fuck them!

It's usually a shitty game anyway!

[F-5]

50. Nope.

The Superbowl is gonna be awesome this year. Any combinations of those four teams who are left will make it an unforgettable year in NFL history.

What's the ad about anyways?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

52. view it here

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

[F-5]

57. Woah! This one should've won!

"What are we teaching our children?"

Of course, as in the case of the the #1 commercial, actions speak louder than words.

Both are great tv ads....actually...all of them were great!

[nolabels]

77. So now they are even afraid of children or what they might be doing .....?

on their behalf. Hey you spineless corporate media execs, your day in the sun is rapidly evaporating. To bad you didn't see it coming, The last great hope, keep some of them sucked in with sports. Not letting it run is giving it even more publicity, nice move :thumbsup:

[Terwilliger]

51. Maybe

but I doubt it...if every DUer and 4,000 other people boycotted, it wouldn't dent the viewership by more than a fraction of a percentage point

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

55. yeah, and if I vote it won't make much of a differnece

but I'm going to vote. I hate that attitude!

[Terwilliger]

59. I'm only looking at practicality

an effort to boycott the Super Bowl over this ad would be less than significant in anybody's eyes but your own

I hate the attitude, too, but I've been paying attention. People are idiotic sheep who seem to have no interest in what happens in their government.

[stickdog]

96. What if all of moveon.org boycotted as well?

[Forkboy]

60. He's right though

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

61. I'm not naive

but I stand by my principles. The only reason I'd participate in this commercial circle-jerk is to watch the Moveon Ad. And I'll turn it off, read a book and sleep better for it.

[Forkboy]

66. I dont think you are

and I commend you on standing by your principles.I rarely watch the game either as it usually sucks ass.

But as a Patriots fan I'm keeping my options open :)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

68. Its an easy decision for me to boycott the Bowl, It'd be harder if

the call was to boycott the NCAA championship. Here's to anyone whose team makes it :toast:. If not, I still encourage you to boycott.

[Forkboy]

87. If the Pats dont make it

I wont be watching.Promise :)

[rbnyc]

53. No Problem.

I boycott the Super Bowl every year anyway. I'll only watch it if I'm looking for the move on ad.

[oc2002]

56. It would be expensive and not very effective.

The money spent on a Superbowl add could be better used to fund hundreds of smaller ads in local markets, even through local cable is cheaper.

Timing.
Also, its comes off too negative. Its like going to your asshole bosses funeral and saying, "Man what an ass that guy was." You would just look as bad as your boss.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

58. It could work better with idiot reality shows

That's the crap that's keeping the American people distracted from what's really going on!

[brainwashed_youth]

64. Run it

I can see the point that one guy is trying to make about politicizing the superbowl, but I think you can't pass up the opportunity when you have that many people watching. Ya, moveon will probably catch some flak for it, but they will also get alot of praise for it...alot of it from me:7

[ElementaryPenguin]

67. I TOTALLY disagree!!

There's no better way to reach a zillion white males than the Super Bowl - and there are plenty of TV addicted, undecided sheeple who will be swayed by an outrageously anti-Bush message - one that so completely refutes the corporate media whores' manufactured impression that the widely hated, evil Bushler is actually "popular!" Any idiot will realize they have NEVER seen an anti-president ad during the Super Bowl - an unlikely thing to happen to a truly "popular" president! Never forget - he who controls television - controls America!

[Terwilliger]

72. EP

I appreciate what you're saying, but if you want white males truly influenced, you need to get the lingerie bowl girls to wear slogans and shout out memes, cuz they don't/won't/can't care about much beyond who wins that game.

I have no great expectations that the majority (or even sizeable minority) of football viewers will care about a concept advertisement about the sad state of affairs that they haven't been informed about by Faux News.

[ElementaryPenguin]

90. You might really be on to something with that lingerie idea, T!

But I still believe this plastering "Bush absolutely Sucks" everywhere - does have a cumilitive effect. Even the most hardened, insulated Joe 6 pack, who is undoubtedly NOT better off than he was 3 years ago - might have lost his job - or knows plenty who have - looks at all the shitty news - sees how this ungrateful eyeRaqees do NOT appreciate all this liberty we're trying to bless them with - in fact, obviously hates our fucking guts and wants us out - and he sees Chimpy sending them billions of his hard earned tax dollars to build them ungrateful eyeRaqees hospitals and schools - while letting ours all go to shit - and now Chimpy wants to let in zillions of more Mexicans - to take more jobs - and he knows this friend who had his nephew killed in eye-Raq - killed for fucking nothing - and he doesn't trust this Cheney guy - who looks like a fucking scammer - and he hates all these bullshit color codes for terror warnings - and he can't help but notice that EVERYTHING seems to have turned to absolute shit since Chimpy's been in there - and he's not sure he really won the election against Gore - and somebody on his job showed him an article about how Bush was warned about bin Laden striking by hijacking planes - and how he keeps trying to stop the 9-11 investigation - and how Chimpy's aid wrote a book that says he doesn't know shit and was starting a war against eye-Rak - before 9-11 so he just made up a lot of shit about weapons - and nobody found squat - and every country seems to hate our guts now - and how Chimpy won't nab this Ken Lay Enron guy - cause he's his friend - and that Chimpy does seem like a stupid fuck when he's not reading his teleprompter - and sounds and looks like a stupid fuck when he's reading the teleprompter - and a friend of his just said fuck it - I'm not voting for the Republicans or bush next time - they lied even way more than Clinton (who did seem a helluva lot smarter than Chimpy, even if he was a horny guy married to a know it all bitch) - and he likes this Clark cause he's a General and should know how to fight a fucking war - or keep us protected - and he saw Howard? Dean give a speech and he sounded like a tough guy - no pussy piss ant like that whiny Daschle? guy - and his wife said last week that Bush is a lying sack of shit - and this war is total bullshit - and is starting to sound like the same bullshit as Vietman - and she heard they might starting drafting kids for it because our soldiers are really pissed - and Bush gives all the tax cuts to the rich - who are the only ones he gives a shit about - and normally he doesn't listen to his wife about shit like this - but this time she might be right - everything seems to suck bigtime - and...he thinks he just might vote for that Dean guy - or that General. And...why is the Super Bowl always such a fucking blowout - and why the hell didn't his wife buy enough beer for his friends when she knew they were coming over??

[Terwilliger]

92. well, right on!

so how will the commercial have the most impact? If they run it sometime during the third quarter, it won't have the same amount of people tuning in just for commercials. It would have to be run right after the coin-toss, so that everyone will be watching.

HAHA...thinking of all the Republicans watching who turn off their TV in protest for having seen the commercial. :D

[ElementaryPenguin]

95. I think It really would be effective, T! Check out my Joe 6 Pack

flow of conciousness on my previous post! Wish we could get that lingerie scene happening! Maybe for the Major League baseball openers?

:evilgrin:

[thebigidea]

69. too negative! ahahahha.

somehow the Superbowl is on par with someone DYING?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

71. I didn't understand - what do you mean?

[libview]

63. YA, RIGHT

The patriots are going to kick ass!!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

65. I hope you're right - but I'm not talking about football!

:)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

70. The best way to boycott the Bowl would be

to watch it and boycott every sponsor you see. First you send cbs an e-mail telling them that if they don't run the add that you'll boycott the Bowl sponsors. If they don't run the ad make good on your promise.

[MoonRiver]

73. Yeah! I hate football anyway!

:D

[Snivi Yllom]

76. I wasn't going to watch it anyway

:)

[nolabels]

85. Really no need to anyway, It will be like history in the making

Payton and Donavan will show why a quarter back is the most inportant position in the game but it is a team game and you can't win with too many weak links. I hope the soupbowl goes into overtime.

(notice how easy it is to write the Patriots off, hehe)

[RamboLiberal]

78. You bet your sweet bippy I will and I told them that yesterday

:mad:

Hell I was going to watch the Super Bowl for the ad. (I usually don't watch unless the Steelers are in it. If the Eagles are in I might've also watched to see an alumni from my little college Hank Fraley - Center - from Robert Morris College. I'm still mad at the Steelers Bill Cowher for cutting Fraley as a rookie a few years ago.

[absolutezero]

81. No

however, i will boycott all the other sponsors...and write them letters to let them know why I'm doing it

besides...CBS refusing it will give moveon tons of free publicity

a win-win situation

throw in the fact that the pats are gonna win and its all good for me

[mrgorth]

82. Not if the Eagles are playing!

[Cleita]

84. No problem here, but then I always boycott the Super Bowl.

Not a football fan.

[mlawson]

108. Exactly. Why should I care who wins, or even plays??

In what way will the results affect my life, in any way?? I have never understood this; it is not logical.

[gill]

100. I think a boycott is a great Idea

[MrSlayer]

103. No, I will not boycott the game.

First, my team should be in it for the first time in 23 years. Second, that's where I make all my money back in case they don't get there. Third, the SB had been good 5 of the last 7 years, really good games that came down to the wire and Fourth, I don't want to miss the new commercials.

[Lindacooks]

111. I'll boycott it anyway

I don't need to see spoiled rich boys slamming into each other to be entertained.

[Indiana Democrat]

112. No WAY!

I am an extremely partisan Democrat but I REFUSE to allow my politics to so overwhelm the rest of my life that I deny myself simple enjoyments like watching the Super Bowl.

[IrateCitizen]

113. Hopeless cause

Do you honestly think that CBS will care one whit about a small group of hard-core activists who are boycotting a sporting event that will be viewed by hundreds of millions of people around the world?

If you do, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that has your name all over it....

Personally, I probably won't even watch much of the Super Bowl. Not because of the CBS/MoveOn flap, but because I really don't gain any enjoyment from sitting and watching a sporting event for 3-1/2 hours on television. I can't name one single game I've watched the whole way through, start-to-finish, over the past two years. And I used to be a HUGE football fan!

[arewethereyet]

114. of course not

they can sell ads to whoever they want.

[EV1Ltimm]

115. Nope - because that would be silly.

here's my thoughts on the whole deal...

1. I wouldn't want some freeper with an artistic vision airing his commercial during the superbowl. i know for a fact that if someone ran a commercial praising bush for god-knows-what, everyone of us would call or mail CBS headquarters, IRATE. Which leads me to point #2...

2. By not accepting the ad, CBS would be sparing themselves from a PR nightmare, which is completely understandable.

3. The millions it would cost to run the ad during the game could buy several more slots elsewhere. I believe the commercial would be getting more exposure this way, but i could be wrong.

BUT, if moveon succeeds in getting the ad aired, more power to em. I just hope it doesn't set a dangerous precedent concerning politics and public entertainment.

[blondeatlast]

117. Yup--love sports, despise the NFL.

But I'll watch the ad as it runs at my house to see the discussion amongst the very politically varied menfolk.

[evil_orange_cat]

118. no... CBS doesn't show political type ads on BOTH sides...

they often don't run anti-abortion ads...

don't boycott the SB for something so silly, you don't want to stoop to the level of Dixie Chick bashers...

[BackDoorMan]

119. I absolutely won't watch! Fuck it

And I'll just catch highlites on one of the sports channels. I don't really give a shit about either team. the NFL is so evenly mediocre...thanks Pete Rozelle...it's a joke, players have no loyalty to a team, the team that pays the highest gets the whore. It so fucking over hyped...

And it sour grapes with me...my team had the third best offense in and the third best defense and the best turnover-recovery ratio (in NFC) and still didn't make the play offs The 49ers...had no field goal kicker most of the season. (went through three of them in the same season).

But if MoveOn gets it's ad on...it'll give me something to watch about, since I helped pay for the ad (as did thousands of others.)

[Silverhair]

122. No. Does everything in life have to be politized?

They aren't accepting the ad because they want a politics free zone where all the factions can come together peacefully and have a good time. There is value in that.

You are acting like they are refusing the ad because they want to help Bush. But you are wrong. There won't be any Republican ads either. Mostly beer and car ads.

I enjoy politics (After all I post here.) but I also enjoy getting away from politics too. So I look forward to watching the Super Bowlin peace, unless there is a good poker game that I want to get in on.

[Dude_CalmDown]

123. The Steelers aren't in, now the Eagles are out - I was already planning to

*

[MissMarple]

124. The Superbowl, now is that ...football?

No, I won't watch if there isn't a moveon ad and they do George & Co's ads. That is just so wrong. What is the problem with those guys? Do political ads or not, don't pick and choose...

If you get my drift. And I refuse to call them dorks.

[CreekDog]

125. But I'll Miss The Halftime Show!

Wait, I hate the Halftime show.

Sure, I'll boycott.

Go Niners!