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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:58 PM
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Love this O'Reilly capture from MWO


It says it all.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:00 PM
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1. awesome
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 02:01 PM by soundgarden1
i wonder if this is before or after the ACLU starting defending Rush's medical records.

the word "fascist" is being thrown around a lot lately. it's pretty sad when such a strong word has lost its meaning.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:05 PM
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3. And ACLU defended Hannity's butt as well
When Antonio appeared by phone on one of the shows, Hannity and his guest repeatedly slurred gay men. At one point, according to the UCSB campus newspaper The Daily Nexus (5/25/89), Hannity declared: "Anyone listening to this show that believes homosexuality is a normal lifestyle has been brainwashed. It's very dangerous if we start accepting lower and lower forms of behavior as the normal." According to the campus paper, Antonio responded by calling gay men "a subculture of people engaged in deviant, twisted acts."

When a fellow KCSB broadcaster called the show to challenge the host and his guest, Hannity pointed out that the caller, a lesbian, had a child through artificial insemination, and Antonio dubbed the child a "turkey-baster baby." When the caller took issue with that "disgusting" remark, Hannity followed up with "I feel sorry for your child" (The Independent, 6/22/89; KCSB, 4/4/89).

Saved by the ACLU
Hannity challenged his dismissal with help from the Santa Barbara Chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation of Southern California. The civil liberties groups wrote letters on Hannity's behalf, arguing that the state school was breaching his free speech. When KCSB relented, offering him his show back, Hannity held out for more airtime, walking away from the station when he didn't get it.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0311/hannity-colmes.html
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:12 PM
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6. The reThugs
are just trying to "frame" the dems.
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the populist Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:41 PM
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11. I like your Kim Thayil quote from Never the Machine Forever, bad@ss! n/t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:02 PM
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2. What a worm!
Yeah, Bill. That's the "Big Plan"! Thanks for the laugh.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:11 PM
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5. Nu?
What's wrong with worms? Aren't there other creepy crawlies you could compare him to? ;)
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:07 PM
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4. Mussolini's definition of fascism
Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.

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UCLA? or PNAC?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:14 PM
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7. "It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism"
And what Webster's has to say: A system of Government characterized by dictatorship, belligerent nationalism and racism, glorification of WAR
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NormanConquest Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:19 PM
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8. You sure thebigidea didn't get to this first?
Though I don't think he could do much to make it any more menacing...
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:23 PM
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9. Lawrence Britt's 14 defining characteristics of fascism
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 02:27 PM by spindoctor
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

umm...there is nothing wrong with som patriotic flag display or John Ashcroft singing about soaring eagles. Nothing at all.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Well yea, but ...you know...Homeland Security, Patriot Act, War on Terror...all that jazz. Can't just let it happen.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Well, if those damn liberals would stop their whining, we could focus our attention on helping the Iraqis rid themselves from their evil elements.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

I wouldn't call 55% of the federal budget disproportional, would you?

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homo-sexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

So just because we are against abortion, and gay marriages you are calling us fascists?

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

We all know that the media is a liberal bastion.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

We are under attack!! Have you not seen the national alert status flashing yellow today?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Our President is a religious man. What do you expect?

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Oh..oh, you think you can use Enron in this argument?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

WHAT labor unions? hahaha

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

Well, the art can express itself anyway it wants. As long as we don't have to accomodate it or fund it in any way. You don't fund Britney Spears, do you?

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

That is why we call it the Patriot Act.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

We call that special interest, and we prefer to steal other nation's resources.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Oh...oh....Don't start about Florida or BBV....please!

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I hate to say it, but using this definition we already are living in a fascist state.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:40 PM
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10. Verrry interesting...
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