Is Bush losing his base? The science teacher at my school,

[ulysses]

who is deeply religious and conservative, and who knows that I'm a liberal Democrat, confessed to me today that she didn't know now who she would vote for in November. Her main point of annoyance with * seems to be the immigration thing, but I'm sure there are others if she's thinking of not voting for Shrubulus.

She categorically denied that she would vote Dem for social reasons, and I just wished her well in her search for a candidate.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. she could opt to just stay at home

that would be my suggestion to her. None of the democrats really have a chance anyway ;)

[ulysses]

3. LOL

Sneaky, underhanded, wonderful idea! :D

[DinahMoeHum]

5. Tee hee. If the racist religious RWs stay home over immigration,

there goes *'s political base.

:kick:

[Th1onein]

24. I hope you are saying that with tongue in cheek?

You are, aren't you? Because I think that a Democrat is definitely going to win this election. I think that we hear a lot of propaganda to the contrary, but that that is all that it is.

That reminds me: I have a very religious friend who wants Bush in again because she thinks that he is going to destroy this nation and bring about Armageddon (sp?). How rotten is that?

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. How rotten is that?

Unbelievably rotten.

[Solomon]

32. Whoop! There It Is.

You'd be surprised at how many fundies are looking forward to the end of the world. They don't want to die like everyone else. They want to be swept up to heaven in rapture.

Don't laugh. Even anti-repug fundies think that God put Bush in power to begin armageddon.

My folks would deny it if you confronted them with it, but I know from the constant end of the world dates they come up with (the last being 2000), that they want the end of the world. They are democrats, or have been democrats all their lives. I'm not so sure which way they would vote now.

[cheezus]

2. are you serious?

The immigration thing?
She's mad at Bush for being too liberal? For not oppressing the Mexicans enough?

Isn't there usually some very right right wing christian fundie who runs every time?

[donco6]

4. The Letters to the Editor here in Denver

Are lambasting Bush for the immigration thing - all RW-ers, too. Interesting.

[ulysses]

6. oh yes.

Nice lady but more than a little irony-deficient, in the manner of many earnest 24-year-old evangelicals I've known. I doubt she's pulling my leg.

[fishguy]

7. Remind her almost all religions condemned the war in Iraq

What denomination is she?

[ulysses]

8. I asked her about the O'Neill revelations re: Iraq

She doesn't want to believe that it's true, but admitted that it would be a big issue for her if it were proven true to her mind. I don't know what denomination she is - southern baptist is a good guess, but she might be nondenominational for all I know.

[cthrumatrix]

11. see...the O'Neill issue is on facts -- get the book -- show the facts

shrub is toast when truth is shared.

[ulysses]

14. it's a book - she'd blame the media.

:crazy:

[el_gato]

17. perhaps she could look at this document

http://fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1992/h920224g.htm

[hang a left]

21. Really not much difference between a republican in denial and

a democrat. The right wing stands by whistle-ass and refuses to acknowledge wrong-doing in the face of facts.

Some democrats stand by certain democrats, one in particular that has been discussed recently at length, regardless of wrong-doing in the face of facts.

What makes blind republicans any different that blind democrats?

Let her vote, does it really matter? The winner has already been selected......again.

[rman]

28. Tell her Bush has admitted to O'Neill's revelations

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/156352_bushsummit13.html

(though she'll probably think that means it's ok after all)

[JHB]

36. Raise PNAC with her...

...She may not want to believe its true, but if you can show her position papers from the 90s advocating attacking Iraq by people who are now the top advisors to *, well, she can do the math.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqletter1998.htm

[Grins]

9. Immigration?? Immigration???

She's worried about immigration? Of all the things to be desperately worried about I would think "a teacher would start with "No Child Left Behind", then malfeasance and corruption of government executives, then the economy, then pissing off the whole damn world of a war venture based on lies!!!, then loss of Constitutional protections. But immigration?

Science teacher, eh? She think going to the moon then Mars is a good thing?

[ulysses]

12. she's conservative first

Conservative teachers are out there, and she's actually quite good at what she does (although I'm glad that the kids aren't of the age where evolution discussions would be absolutely necessary to the curriculum). I don't know what she thinks of Bush's new plans for space, but I do know that she's excited about the current Mars probe.

She grew up in a military family, and I suspect hasn't examined life very much.

[Iris]

31. Most k-12 teachers are conservative

It's a tradtionally female job which is held by a lot of traditional females.

[jab105]

10. No, cause the democrats are eaating their own...

n/t

[yellowcanine]

13. The science teacher at your school is a fundy?

Do you teach at a fundy school? I don't see how a fundy could teach science at a public school. Evilution and all that, you know.

[ulysses]

15. it's a private religious school, yes

I'm the token closeted agnostic. :D

[chelaque liberal]

26. Doesn't have to be a fundy school

My husband teaches at a public high school near Atlanta with a large international population, many of whom are Muslim. There is another teacher there who told him that she believes all Muslims are evil and should be arrested or killed to protect "the Americans." She considers herself a highly moral "Christian." I'm not making this up.

[ElementaryPenguin]

16. She probably won't vote - which is fine by me!!

Keep those conservatives away from the poles! Good goin' Evil Chimp!

:bounce:

[SOteric]

18. I've heard some similar low rumblings.

Of course, this is liberal territory hereabouts, and there aren't many conservatives. But I've actually been hearing the few I know make grumbling noises about Bush, each for their own particular hot-button issues.

Whether that will remain the case until November is anyone's guess.

[Auntie Bush]

19. Does your science teacher teach creationism?

Tell her to check out Clark...she would love him.

[ulysses]

20. she would

in some form if it came up.

And again, she's not going to even consider a Dem in her own words. Not sure why her teaching creationism would make her an ideal Clark supporter...

[ThomWV]

22. Let Her Not Vote

Terrible thing to say, but it wouldn't bother me a bit if she didn't vote at all.

I'd hate to encourage that, but I think I probably would were I you. I'd just try to look as sincere as possible and very softly say this to her " ... and you know, he's not very honest either". Don't rant and rave like I do about the lieing POS, just nice and easy hint at what she already knows in her heart, that he's a liar.

So if she can't bring hereself to vote for him you understand her and support her, and if she feels she can't vote for a Democrate, well that's OK too. Play nice and you'll win on this one.

Thom

[grasswire]

23. some freepers...

...have decided to protest in the primary by voting for anyone they can think of, as a vote against Bush. Tell her to think about that. In the general election, she could do the same thing. She doesn't have to vote FOR Bush.

[Loonman]

25. Ha ha

Found on FR.

[ignatius]

29. Two of my co-workers who are blatant repugs stealthily bad mouthed

Bush to me. One said he is a Caesar imperialist, the other said a war on trumped up intelligence made her sick.

Their boss,fortunately not mine, is a foaming at the mouth repugs can do no wrong, maniac so this was said to me at my desk.

They asked me who I liked, we had a nice conversation about Dean, Kerry and Clark and I got the strong feeling that these 2 will not be voting for Mr. Spacemonkey.

YOOOHOOO!!! Let's keep the heat on until the American people wake up and smell the oil and blood.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. rightwingnutfundie science teacher is an oxymoron...imho

[Solomon]

33. Bush will get these people back when it is revealed to them that

his immigration policy will not pass the senate, and he KNEW that it wouldn't pass. He's just trying to get votes. No harm no foul. In fact, they'll see it as a smart ploy.

[catmandu57]

35. That and the 3,8 billion faith based bullshit

will let him smirk and say he tried, but those damn democrats won't let him. Besides staying at home it would be nice to see a couple of independent runs. One by a foaming mouth winger and another by a perot type to draw off the numbers.

[Fridays Child]

34. How deeply religious can a person be and still not be a Liberal?

And you say she's a science teacher?

:scared:

[West Coast Democrat]

37. My boyfriend's mother, who lives in the South....

says that people are very upset about Bush's immigration policy. I don't think Bush* will try to campaign on this issue very much.