Can we stop with the "God - Gay and Moral" threads -- this is Rovian Crap

[cthrumatrix]

Shrub didn't give a damn about any of these intiatives until it's time to divide and conquer -- for the election.


You can't get caught in these silly traps -- you can't convince a repug. or other about god and gays -- these are "division issues"



We can talk about morality of this president:
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* he is a LIAR -- that can be documented and has been by Paul O'Neill

* You can trust what he says -- look at the "action" vs "words"

* he cares more about corporations than you and your neighbor


These three things alone ....matter.

[the populist]

1. I feel that the fundamentalist preachers are a threat to liberty

so I will make posts concerning this threat. These people are insane and we should expose their insanity.

But yes, they are divisive issues. Many Americans are going to vote solely on these issues. Maybe an understanding of economics and personal finance is too much to ask...*sigh*

[cthrumatrix]

3. I think people understand morality = Bible == he lied ..people died

[mlawson]

4. ...threat to liberty -- I thought that more than 25 years ago.

Nothing much has changed, has it? Ronnie's election in 1980 was significanty frightening in part because of his ties to the 'religious right' of that time; it was like he was turning them loose on the rest of us. Luckily, he was uninterested in their agendas, except for using them in elections to get votes.

But Mondale was reluctant in 1984 to 'expose' these factions. Either he was wary of getting them riled up, or he thought their influence to be unimportant. In short, we are not likely to see much Dem campaigning against the fundies and their leaders. For some reason, it apparently is not good politics.

And I share your eagerness for them to do it, but I am not holding my breath.

[INTELBYTES]

7. disagree with you on this point.

what exactly do you find "insane" about preachers that believes in the Bible? It's a pretty wild accusation and inflammatory, just because you don't share those same beliefs.

[cthrumatrix]

8. save it -- you cannot out christain somebody -- regpugs/dems are

both christian.

[the populist]

12. First of all

let me make it clear that while I want to expose these psychopaths on this message board, I agree with the original poster that these issues should be avoided at all costs during the election.

Now, onto your question. These people think that Bush is fighting a crusade against Islam. Al Qaeda thinks its fighting a jihad against those who want to conquer Muslim lands. From an outsiders perspective I can't see much of a difference.

[INTELBYTES]

14. OK, I grant you those points.

Being a Christian myself, and not "trying to out Christian" anyone, I was not sure by your post if you were trying to castigate the whole premise of Christianity. Thanks for the reply.

[Cleita]

2. Don't forget he's a murderer.

So many deaths under his stewardship were indirectly caused by his policies, his stupidity and his lack of caring about the fact that they would happen. He is as guilty as if he had plunged the sword himself.

[JanMichael]

5. Good point. What do they want to do? Out Reichwing the Reichwing?

Should we be more insanely fundamentalist? More hateful toward gays? More hypocritical than Bennett?

Yuck.

[Democrats unite]

6. Homophobes on this website must be in a quandry...

All the Democratic candidates support civil rights for Homosexuals. And before anyone starts down this road, I am not talking about gay marriage.

[DuctapeFatwa]

11. Most candidates support a "second class tier" of rights for gay people

A few decades ago, most candidates of both parties supported a two-tiered system based on race.

[YNGW]

9. I would agree.

The only thing we stand to do is further isolate people who are sitting on the fence on some of these things. Our party needs to retrench and focus on important issues such as the working-class, the economy, jobs, and foreign affairs, and shelving these issues which which are not the primary reasons people go to the polls.

[Malva Zebrina]

10. Some people have found that the god is indeed a wonderful

god--he advocates killing and murder and that is in totally in line with the fascist,imperialistic adventures of the stupid president, George Bush.

Yes, It is true--the reason we have these questions in these threads is because the religion of Bush supports it. Does it not? Surely, it does, and the fact that he was "born again" and overcame his weaknesses, is proof that he is a reputable advocate of that religion, right?

No matter how many will say it is not THEIR god, or their Chrisitianity that Bush represents, it is, indeed, the SAME Christianity ~~~ if it is NOT, then what is there that is different? Please do tell me.

Jesus is the same god for all. And this is exactly what happened in the nineteenth century, when prominent southern ministers preached that slavery was indeed sanctioned by the god and was indeed sanctioned in the bible. It was perfectly OK to own slaves, according to the god.

Do you have any idea of how many reputable preachers preached the morality of slavery under this same god? And , so we fought this great battle, with the loss of so many young lives in order to prove that slavery was wrong, and the ministers lost-

-yet, and this is incredible, nothing has changed in the bible at all since then. It is exactly the same bible that the ministers were using to advocate that the god said slavery is perfectly fine and OK.

Is that not incredible.? The bible that the ministers relied upon to tell the flock that slavery was an approved, mandate of the god, and that was subsequently defeated in a bloody and brutal war resulting in the loss of life of many a young person, still contains the exact same verses that these ministers claimed advocated and approved of the institution of slavery!!!

Does anyone think that is odd? Nothing has changed in that book, yet today we say that slavery is a terrible sin or something. Pray tell, how can that be?


I would beg these people to please point out how Christianity can ideed sanction a George Bush and simultaneously, claim it to be a religion of "love"--how can that be? and how can you claim it is not the same religion? It certainly looks to me as if it is the same Christianity and surely those ministers that preach to he and Laura on a Sunday, and display the flag in the front of the pulpit can also explain this entire thing--the killing fields in Afgansitand and Iraq--if there something in there --in that holy book, that says that these killing fields are just honkey dorey? And if that is true, how then can the Christians claim that the sancitity of life is very important, therefore all women who have abortions are violating the mandates of that same god?

I mean howcome this can all happen under Christianity? Are you not all Christians?n Including George Bush?

I find it amusing and I know that will not be acceptable to you believers, but nevertheless, it is the truth.

[tigereye]

13. what I find ironic

and this is not news to anyone, I am sure, is that Bush et al plan to (or are) spend a ridiculous amount of money to encourage people ( people of limited means, I suspect - a captive audience) to marry. And at the same time, they are incensed because gay people WANT to get married. It is just incredible. They could increase the amount of married people! since they think marriage is so wonderful. And it can be, if you are in a committed, good, economically beneficial marriage that you chose. BTW, I am straight and married, but this is ridiculous.

[Cannikin]

15. If this issue isn't dealt with now, there may not be a later!

Remember, we've already got an amendment in consideration that will make it impossible for us!

[xchrom]

16. i'm christian and share much of your wonder

but then i don't take it literally.
and the older i get the less i take literally every day -- except when baking.