O'Neill story being put on back burner....

[veracity]

The story made a small splash, and then - no more. The man was discredited as a disgruntled employee, and Bush used Clinton's name to justify the "regime change" goal that was a war plan from day one. We've got to keep this kind of information alive and in the forefront of the coming campaign.

The book "The Price of Loyalty" is a must read. The film "UNCOVERED" also is a must see. These have to be shared with the doubters and the undecided. There really are lots of people out there with NO idea about what is going on. They're the CNN and FOX news folk who believe the pundits and the corporate media.

If you want to get either of these from a non profit source, - one place is at tvnewslies.org. The site is giving these as freebies for donations. I know Amazon has the book...but the film may not be there.
You can check the 'donation' link on the page for info.

[david_vincent]

1. Michael Jackson!

You're so out of touch with what Americans really care about!
Real Americans only care about Michael Jackson and the Laci Peterson case! And American Idol!

<sarcasm>

[0007]

5. I'm more tantalized by those nasty sharks swimming around

by us swimmers.

[are_we_united_yet]

26. I beg to differ

What about that Benet Ramsey girl?

[wtmusic]

2. Are you 'tvnewslies.org'?

[veracity]

34. No...I'm not tvnl

....but I'm a fan from day one, and I try to bring some of the stuff on the site to DU. I also worry that some of these alternative sites, run on a shoestring (this one is run by ONE person) will not last without readers and donors. So.....you'll see me linking to many of the articles that get attention all over the Internet.

So many of the TVNL articles are picked up by Buzzfalsh and Whatreallyhappened and OpEdNews, Americanpolitics, etc. They're really worth a read and so often relate to discussions here.

The editor of TVNL used to post here regularly. Contact him to find out why he is not doing that..if you'd like the reason.

I hope you enjoy the links I do put up.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

3. Because O'Neill retracted and qualified

a lot of his statements during his first interviews. He said he would probably vote for Bush in the upcoming elections. So his interview is not the juicy red meat that the media needs to keep it in play.

Same thing with Joe Wilson and the Plame leak. Wilson came off looking like someone looking for payback for a personal slight.

These stories will both play again when the nominated dem candidate can start pushing for answers.

[wtmusic]

7. The only thing I heard O'Neill retract

was his comment about Bush being a 'blind man in a room full of deaf people'.

The idea that Wilson is looking for a paycheck is ludicrous. Apparently you haven't seen the movie, or you believe David Albright, Stansfield Turner, Scott Ritter, John Dean, Rand Beers et al are all in on the 'scam', or that destroying his wife's career is a personal 'slight'. :eyes:

[i_am_not_john_galt]

10. Here's the rest

Jan. 14, 2004. 01:00 AM
>ADVERTISEMENT<
JUSTIN SULLIVAN/GETTY IMAGES
The Price of Loyalty, a book that details former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill's 23 months in the cabinet of President George W. Bush, hit bookstores thoughout the U.S. yesterday. O'Neill laments in the book that Bush insisted on nicknaming him "Pablo," and later "Big O."
O'Neill backtracks on Bush broadside
Regrets using `vivid language'

Tries to distance himself from book

TIM HARPER
WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON—Under concerted attack from the White House, former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill retreated yesterday.

O'Neill said his contention that President George W. Bush came to office fixated on ousting Saddam Hussein was really just a government policy of regime change in Iraq that he inherited from the preceding Bill Clinton administration.

O'Neill said he would probably even vote for Bush in November's presidential election.

The author of the book detailing O'Neill's 23 months in the Bush cabinet, Ron Suskind, also came under fire from his former employer, the Wall Street Journal, where he won a Pulitzer.

In an editorial yesterday, the paper called its former reporter a "well-known Bush antagonist."

continues at http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1074035410636&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

[wtmusic]

11. OK, ya got one more...

'O'Neill said his contention that President George W. Bush came to office fixated on ousting Saddam Hussein was really just a government policy of regime change in Iraq that he inherited from the preceding Bill Clinton administration.'


So two is 'a lot'...

[i_am_not_john_galt]

15. The "I will probably vote for George Bush" quote counts a "a lot"

of retraction in my book. The guy proved to be a flake.

[ParanoidPat]

16. "The guy proved to be a flake."???

And the 19,000 pages of documentation he produced was.... :shrug: :evilgrin:

[wtmusic]

18. Your book? Maybe you should read 'his book'

Have you read Suskind's book *or* seen the movie?

You're telling me that the former CEO of Alcoa, who turned the company around, was one of most environmentally-aware CEO's in the country, is worth $60 million, produced 19,000 documents to back up his allegations, served in four different administrations (going back to Nixon), and is a personal friend of Alan Greenspan is a flake?

You need some more background, my friend.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

19. Should have said

is being perceived as a flake.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

20. and what I mean by that

is that you're not gonna put him on your show if he's going to back down from the vitriol when the camera swings his way. So the story dies.

[underpants]

23. No he is being SOLD as a flake

Sour grapes is the phrase I have heard most often.

As someone who has read the book O'Neill does not come off as anything like either. He also proofread the whole thing and recommended changes which Suskind says, in the book, were made.

[Q]

22. Nothing O'neill said disqualifies the notion that Bush's* war is illegal..

- The same goes with the Plame leak. You're actually providing an excuse for the American media NOT to cover these stories by bringing 'personality' into the picture.

- We're talking about felonies here...not how O'Neill and Wilson 'looked' after the fact.

[Terwilliger]

36. yep, felonies

- And complicit Democrats not calling for his head

[cthrumatrix]

29. he didn't retract...get your facts straight --there are plenty of facts

that make shrub look extremely bad in the case for war, managing his people, and this country

read the book ...then tell us

[Newsjock]

4. Book is on display at *Wal-Mart* even

So there is indeed a notable impact being made by the book. I never thought I'd see such a book in Wal-Mart, but there they were, very visibly displayed in the books section.

So the message is getting out to Very Middle America.

[ParanoidPat]

6. Umm, a quick Google News search for.....

......O'Neill, investigation yields 656 hits. Most of these stories have been posted in one form or another in the Latest Breaking News forum here on DU.

O'Neill Has Done His Country a Favor
Common Dreams - 9 hours ago
... The immediate response from the White House has been to mount an investigation
into whether O'Neill illegally used classified documents to prepare the book ...

Bully nation
Philippines Daily News, Philippines - 13 hours ago
... well over two months, and massive public pressure, to start an investigation into
the dangerous outing. In contrast, after ex-Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill ...

O'Neill talks; White House squawks
Oregonian, OR - 16 hours ago
... What is intriguing about the O'Neill affair is that by Monday, an investigation
had been launched by the Treasury Department on orders from "above" into the ...

Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz interviewed by Al Arabyia
Defenselink.mil - Jan 16, 2004
... Your investigation shows something new? ... Endowment came up with a report, the Washington
Post published a lengthy article, and then former Secretary Paul O'Neill ...

Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz interviewed by Al Arabyia
DefenseLINK (public service), United States - Jan 16, 2004
... Your investigation shows something new? ... Endowment came up with a report, the Washington
Post published a lengthy article, and then former Secretary Paul O'Neill ...

EDITORIAL: Far better if blind, deaf were in charge
East Hartford Gazette, CT - Jan 16, 2004
... But the disconcerting comment we ought to pay attention to is the intended
slam O'Neill makes in his book. ... A federal investigation is underway. ...

Do facts about Bush matter?
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - Jan 16, 2004
... They have, however, already opened an investigation into how a picture of
a possibly classified document appeared in O'Neill's TV interview. ...

Who Gets It?
New York Times, NY - Jan 16, 2004
... The bogus security investigation over Ron Suskind's "The Price of Loyalty," like
the outing of Valerie Plame, shows the lengths they're ... (In the case of Paul O ...

America as a One-Party State
The American Prospect - Jan 16, 2004
... During the speakerships of Tip O'Neill (1977-86) and Wright, the caucus gradually
strengthened both the ... Press investigation and popular outrage toppled him. ...

[kskiska]

8. I just bought the last copy

on display from my local B&N. It's selling! And this is Red country.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. I got the last one

From my B. Dalton here in North Dallas, TX display! People are interested in knowing about this. I can just imagine Rove's phone call to O'Neill ("You haff relatiffs in zee old country, yes?"). But the retractions can't undo all the damage. People are starting to get the picture. I just hope it's enough, in enough time...

[Kanary]

12. Hi Mayberry!

Welcome to DU!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

:toast:

Kanary

[AndyTiedye]

13. It is #4 in sales on Amazon.com

was #1 the day it came out.

[veracity]

38. TVNL shipment in this week!

If you want to do two good deeds at once...get the book AND support the fight against media deception....please suggest that people whos still want the Price of Loyalty order the book at TVNL. It would help this not for profit site stay alive....

http://tvnewslies.org/html/donate.html#PriceofLoyalty

[Kanary]

14. On the Guy James Show

The comment was made that O'Neill said as a result of the book, he was going to have to give up his favorite pasttime... canoeing.

Sounds like he "got it".

Kanary

[demgrrrll]

17. It is not just the administration but think about what happened to M. Cho

If those lunatics had any way to reach him by e mail think about
what they might have written. We have no idea what these folks are
writing to people who speak out. Margaret Cho is one of the few who has published their comments. I think the first shot across the bow came from the White House but they do have their minions burning up the keyboards too.

[Name removed]

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[underpants]

24. No spin in that book just facts (that is what is so hard about denying it)

and there have been PLENTY of threads about it.

The only thing he backtracked on was the the "blind man" statement as it became a "red meat frenzy" by the media. Well that is how books are sold. The book has many more damning statements and observations in it: Ari Fleschers' "Perception lags reality" is just one.

[CatWoman]

25. Huh?

That's all you could read out of this episode?

Employee gets canned and is embarrassed. Gives a bunch of notes to a writer that spins a "big" story.

Are you even REMOTELY aware that Suskind interviewed hundreds of other WH employees as well?

And other CURRENT cabinet members?

[Name removed]

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[CatWoman]

28. *ahem*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1029763

don't let those pesky "facts" get in your way, do you?

[cthrumatrix]

30. I think you are wrong--- it hasn't even started...strategist are pouring

over the book...the fork is in shrub

[veracity]

35. I hope you're right, but...

O'Neill was on a pundit show this morning, backtracking. I think they got to him. I have NOT seen Suskind featured on any of the top shows. Usually a book like this gets the tour treatment. I do hope you're right and I'm wrong..but I've become such a pessimist - for good reasons.

[CatWoman]

37. Suskind was all over the map last week

:shrug:

Today Show
CNN
MSNBC
PBS

[nostamj]

31. O'Really?

it was the only topic on McLaughlin this AM. of course the Iowa caucuses are big this morning.

the book is selling and the story is NOT done.

put a 'fork' in your RW spin

[cthrumatrix]

32. thank you -- I think the RW is crapping their pants...plus John Dean

has a scathing book in April on shrub

[kskiska]

33. Dick Morris made a career out of getting canned & embarrassed

Now everyone on the Faux network hangs on his every word. Why has Morris become more credible while O'Neill is being perceived as less credible?

[Terwilliger]

39. You're right

if nobody was willing to stick it to Bush after/during the 16-words flap or Plamegate, a milquetoast Repuke who worked for Bush and every other Repuke who waffles and flits and says he's telling the truth, but regrets mentioning that truth....

This story goes nowhere.

[CatWoman]

40. I'm watching McLaughlin Group right now

and I have to strongly disagree with you.

[arewethereyet]

41. when he repudiates it himself, what do you expect ?

sounds like a writer trying to sell books and a naieve former cabinet member having his ego tickled.