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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 04:46 AM
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Bush Vs. Hitler Part II
David R. Hoffman, Legal Editor of PRAVDA.Ru
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/11830_bush.html
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Given this reality, it would be relatively easy for me to dismiss the negative comments made by Bush supporters about my recent PRAVDA article, BUSH vs. HITLER (1/3/04). But after seeing how those of Delay's ilk were willing, for the sake of politics, to minimize or ignore human suffering in Bosnia, while exploiting the human suffering caused by Hitler's Holocaust, I realized that their unconscionable hypocrisy had to be answered. Their myopic view of history, and their sense of "selective" outrage at human suffering, are an affront to those in the United States who seek to restore basic rights and freedoms stolen by the Bush dictatorship, and the corrupt legal system that supports him, as well as a threat to peace throughout the world.

The basic stratagem of these so-called "critics" is to compartmentalize Hitler's legacy into a simplistic formula: Hitler created the horrors of the Holocaust and since Bush (the argument goes) has not created a Holocaust, Bush is not comparable to Hitler. What this formula fails to acknowledge, however, is that Hitler was not created in a vacuum, and he did not ignite the horrors of the Holocaust until he had corruptly obtained the political power to do so. It was the manner in which he attained this power that is analogous to the political machinations of the Bush dictatorship.
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With Adolph Hitler the warnings were clear. The world simply chose to ignore them. With George W. Bush the warnings are equally clear. Can we afford to ignore them as well? Perhaps the answer resides in how easily the words of Holocaust survivor Martin Niemoller can be adapted to present day America.

First they destroyed the rights of Islamic immigrants,
But I didn't speak up, because I wasn't an Islamic immigrant.
Then they destroyed the rights of students,
And I didn't protest, because I wasn't a student.
Then they silenced the anti-war activists,
But I wasn't an anti-war activist, so I didn't object.
Then they came for my rights,
And by that time nobody was left to speak up.



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PSR40004 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:37 AM
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1. silly...
I would not compare the plight of prewar Jews in Germany to the war we have now. To do so is to trivialize the Holocaust.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:10 AM
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2. What was the plight of "prewar "Jews?
This is a serious question because I am the first to admit my poor lack of historical knowledge. I thought that the Jewish people were fairly well integrated into German society before Hitler came to power. While I suspect there were prejudices, they lived normal lives.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:33 AM
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3. That type of reaction is perfectly understandable, since it is outlined
in the article itself.

You dissmiss it out of hand, citing the number of dissimiliarities (which is correct).

That is unremarkable. It would be expected that no one would want to directly emulated the nazis' because it would be bad PR, among other things...couldn't be covered up as completely as the Holocaust in this day and age and would also serve to remind people of how close we are.

What is remarkable is NOT the number dissimilarities, but the number of similarities.

We have never been in a situation before where Amerikan leadership had very many, if any, similarities to the Nazis rise to power.

None. Nada. Zip. Zilcho. I tell you I slept very well indeed during those nights, no matter what political party was in power.

Now we have a leadership which has a disturbingly high number of similarities to the Nazi...and to Imperial Rome, too. Including the Leader's use of military uniform, breaking what was previously a 225 year American tradition of the Leader not wearing military garb.

Consider that. If you wait for the next incarnation of Totalitarian Tyranny to look like the last, discredited incarnation, then you will have a long wait indeed.

Think about it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:40 AM
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4. Maybe you should consider the plight
of prewar Afghans and Iraqis? I'm sure to a five year old child one night of Shock and Awe is not that different than one night in a concentration camp?
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OpenMindedDem Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:54 AM
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5. Are you kidding? I hope so...
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:15 AM
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There are whole cities in Iraq
that we have surrounded in barbed wire. Then we conduct nightly raids looking for insurgents. We run bombing raids on them indicriminately killing innocent people in the process. Is that much different than living in a concentration camp?

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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:55 AM
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6. Really, not the least bit worried about being informed on ?
a.Say you cut someone off in traffic.
b.No chance that person would plant some drugs in your house & turn you in.
c.Because the Police would not knock your door down while you were sleeping
& come in guns blazing & kill you ?

Because you don't know that that c already happens without A & B ever taking place ?

Right, because since you are posting this on an internet BB
you are not in Gitmo right now. Lots of those people have been there over a year without being allowed a lawyer or contact with their family. BTW that includes the Children that were kidnapped &
are still being held there.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:15 AM
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7. There are many differences between the men
Hitler was a compelling orator-- he had a speaking style that could hold thousands snake-fascinated at will. Bush, on the other hand, cannot complete a simple sentence without f**king it up.

Hitler had a "grand vision" of a Reich that would last a thousand years. Bush, on the other hand, sees no further than the next tax cut for his buddies.

Hitler had one ball. Bush, on the other hand, apparently has none (sock aside).

Hitler served in the military with distinction-- when they wouldn't take him in his own country, he left to serve in another. Bush, on the other hand, deserted his own American unit. (His father before him, although he served, deserted his crew by bailing out of an aircraft and leaving them to crash and die in the ocean. Like father, like son.)

On and on, but it's apples and oranges. Bush simply does not have the native intelligence and personality to stand up to history's most horrific madman. And I'll bet it pisses him off.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 10:00 AM
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8. New campaign slogan- " Not as good as Hitler! "
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