Hypocrisy of 2000 Nader-bashers/2004 Dean-only supporters?

[Bonobo]

I voted for Nader in 2000 because thought that there was no difference between Republicans and Democrats (relatively). I was in Mass. so it was not a big risk, but I still regret it. Clearly, today, we can all agree that there are at least SOME signigicant differences between the two.
When I first joined DU back in March of '03, everyone was still ganging up on those who supported Nader in 2000. "It was all Nader's fault", etc. etc. But now, I see all these Dean supporters saying the same thing. Isn't the hypocrisy clear to them?
All you Dean supporters, this is not a criticism of Dean. Rather it is a criticism of his supporters who seem to be willing to let the party split over it. WTF? Can you really defend your position?

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[Bandit]

1. Why is this post in this forum?

:shrug: Flame bait indeed.

[truthspeaker]

2. can you find any such posts?

Granted I don't go into GD:2004 Primary much, but I haven't seen any Dean supporters trying to split the party.

Do we have to show our Anyone But Bush credentials again?

[shance]

3. Monumental Difference. Nader was never dedicated to a cause

except his own. He never committed himself to a party, including the Green party, which in part, he used as a promotion tool.

Nader regularly leaves his harshest and most biased attacks against Democrats like Gore, and has only begun publicly going after Bush the past couple of years.

He could never build a movement of millions like Dean has done and raise over 15 million because Nader is too opportunistic, too lazey, and too narcissistic.

Nader did teach me one thing. That the ones that control my party right now are more concerned with keeping their coffers full than doing what is in the best interest of their country.

The difference between Nader and Dean on the last point, was Nader was great about talking about it, Dean actually went out and did something about it. And through his efforts and this whole election process, I think many Democrats have seen, from someone WITHIN their own party, who would be the best possible candidate, be ruthlessly attacked and betrayed by those at the top.

So, it is a different situation, but a similar situation of having to confront establishment versus main street America. However, this came from inside the heart of the Democratic party and it came from someone who has proven himself as a leader, a doctor and a visionary.

Ralph Nader has never earned a lot of respect because all he does is talk and never any follow through. He is not well respected because his opportunism and ego get in the way of his follow through and actually creating results.

[Touchdown]

4. Support your allegation with actual quotes and facts.

You have given us nothing to base any opinion on this matter here. We just don't have enough information to make a judgement call on this. What hypocracy? Where is it? In what context? Who are... "all these Dean people"?

Answer these first, then we can talk.

[NoPasaran]

5. I agree with you

Anyone who is stuck on any one candidate and is serious about not defeating Booosh should be sentenced to reading Lenin's "Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder" until they understand it's about them.

I support Dean because I still think he represents our best chance of changing America in a positive way, not JUST regaining the White House. But after the convention it's ABB all the way>

[mrgorth]

6. I think the issue is politics

As far as I'm concerned, I can probably handle it if Dean loses the nomination democratically. However, when you start seeing the backroom deals like Kucinich teaming up with Edwards and, possibly, Gephardt teaming up with Kerry, plus the constant shit raining down from the DLC it promotes a siege mentality, like there's no way to work within the system. It makes you just want to say "fuck it" and go somewhere else. I did google searches for Peter Camejo yesterday.

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