What's the deal with the "heater packers"?

[Cheesehead]

Repugs here in Wisconsin are going to great lengths to override the governor's veto of a concealed carry bill despite the fact that >70% of voters are not in favor of passage. Does anybody have any idea why there is such urgency to pack heat?

[Serenity-NOW]

1. Concealed weapons... just what we need these days

All these people that feel 'brave' when they carry a gun running around with lethal weapons, swell.

[htuttle]

2. Check the Justice/Public Safety forum

There are a number of threads about it. There seems to be a nationwide calling/writing effort going on to get this bill passed in Wisconsin. Of those '5 to 1' calls that some lawmakers got in favor of it, I'd bet that more than 2/3 of them were from out of state. And it seems that a number of them were from DUers.

Go figure.

[DoNotRefill]

11. Nah. I support CCW.

I have a permit. It's a good thing. I don't CARE what happens in Wisconsin. They can have whatever laws they want there. The only way it might affect me is if they offer reciprocity, but since I'll probably never go to Wisconsin, it doesn't mean anything to me.

46 States offer some form of CCW option. They haven't had a problem with it, and there hasn't been "blood on the streets" as the anti's have predicted. Why should Wisconsin have problems with it?

[mike1963]

16. I have to agree...we've had it here for 5 years now and my predictions

have proven to be alarmist and mostly wrong. I really did think there would be 'incidents', but it hasn't turned out that way. I know about a dozen people (2 are female) who have CC permits and after asking around, my informal survey reveals that none of them have actually gone out in public carrying a gun, with a very few exceptions as they're trekking about in the woods. It hasn't been a problem.

My position on this is a little difficult to explain, being a proud liberal who has owned guns for over 50 years. To condense a long story and history, I'll just say I think having a bit of mechanical defenses against the current these days might not be a bad thing. If push comes to shove, I'm ready to shove back...and I'll leave it at that.

[Cleita]

3. Are Repigs castrated when they join so that they are

more agreeable to being in lockstep? So maybe they need to make up for it.

[lastknowngood]

4. Think about if fear is your

mindset and you only feel safe in a gang that thinks just like you then you can almost call it logic.

[RoeBear]

5. When is the blood...

...scheduled to flow in Wisconsin?

[Cheesehead]

6. The override has already passed the state senate

The assembly will vote early next week to cinch the deal.

On edit: Law enforcement officials are not happy with this development!

[RoeBear]

7. They hadn't been happy...

...in any state that contemplated going to shall issue.

[DoNotRefill]

9. Of course they aren't...Their "rice bowl" is to "protect" the community.

If the community doesn't need as much protection, their budgets get cut.

The police have a DIRECT interest in seeing to it that crime flourishes. their jobs are on the line.

[NickB79]

17. What blood?

I'm tired of these "the streets will run red with blood/Wild West all over again" claims that never come true whenever a CCW law is passed. Over 30 states have CCW laws, and none of them have had problems. Where is this blood-letting everyone talks about?

[RoeBear]

8. Do you have a link...

...to those numbers?

[Cheesehead]

14. I was off a little - Dems = 77%, Ind = 71%, Repubs 59%

Here is a link to the survey results (Univ of WI - Badger Poll).

http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/60398.php

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http://www.madison.com/captimes/news/stories/65825.php

[arewethereyet]

10. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

its infringement and its unconstitutional

[tkmorris]

13. So buy a musket

The funny thing is that I mainly agree with you but this sort of overly simplistic characterization is just plain disingenuous. The issue is a whole lot muddier than could have been envisioned over 2 centuries ago.

[DoNotRefill]

15. Yup....and a manual printing press....

so you can exercise your free press rights...

[RoeBear]

18. You must realize that your arguement...

...goes no where. If there was any substince to it then it would have to be applied to the 1st amendment also. We'd be sending postcards to each other instead of using the internet.



But if you're willing to go back to postcards I'll go back to this.

[DoNotRefill]

12. Are they going for a "may issue" or a "shall issue" system?

I hope it's a "shall issue" system...since the "may issue" system is basically Jim Crow in action.