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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:24 PM
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Does "guest workers" = potential draftees?
Can I legitimately argue this? I know it was brought up before but I wasn't sure if it was for sure a fact.

Will the "guest workers" be required to register for the draft?

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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:25 PM
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1. Yes they will.
I'll try to find a reference.
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:28 PM
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2. Here is a link
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:10 PM
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12. Thanks &
what a sig-line! Geezus...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:30 PM
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3. I Like The Term "Cannon Fodder"
it's much more accurate.

-- Allen
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:31 PM
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4. yes. it's in the pending draft legislation
it was posted and discussed here. sorry i don't have the link.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:34 PM
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5. Does It Get....
any sicker, vile, and odious as this Bu$h*t so called government that has stolen our country! They want a revolution so they can declare martial law and fill their evil internment camps!
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Adapter44 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:37 PM
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6. No
Are you talking about the people Bush will allow (legally) in to work?

While legally they would be subject to a draft - just think reality for a moment. Do you SERIOUSLY believe those people will come and/or stay if they had a chance of getting drafted? They will be back to their home nations ASAP in such a situation.

Usually people come here for work because it helps improve their lives, not to go to Iraq (and perhaps other ME destinations) and die for HAL.

I think the concern that Bush's immgration plan is intended to get draftees is foolish. It is not a stable draft pool.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:41 PM
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8. What if they didn't know it was coming?
What if the WH did a good job progandizing No Draft Necessary and then sprung one all of a sudden? Your number's drawn, report to the draft boards or else? Border patrols to make sure they weren't going back home?
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Adapter44 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:06 PM
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11. Wouldn't happen
It would take an act of congress to restore the draft. You would have PLENTY of notice about it coming.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:20 PM
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14. I appreciate your input
I also think too many are quick to jump to these conclusions.

Still -- do you think that there are enough who are desperate enough for the income, who would stay in the states and risk the chance of getting drafted?

Do you really think that the chance of getting drafted would prompt a mass exodus of the immigrant population? Working in the states remains the only real option for $$ for many poor Mexicans.

(On second thought, maybe "let's scarem away with the draft" is the *real* hidden agenda! ;-) )
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Adapter44 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:29 PM
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17. No I don't think it would prompt a mass exodus
Ask your self how many immigrants are eligible to be drafted in an initial stage of the draft to begin with. Certainly, those who are would be concerned. Those who are not have little to worry about.

Those people who need the money and are eligible will have to make a choice. What's more important to me? Money with risk of going to die for HAL, or going back to my home nation and toughing it out for just a little while until the next US pres gets in to office and I come back?
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 08:16 PM
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20. Yes they would

Yes, I think they would stay if they were subject to draft.

But as soon as they were drafted, they would sneak right back across the Rio Grande. A ploy to draft illegal aliens is stupid. Adherence to the draft is based on a desire to obey the law. They might as well try to draft mafiosa.

Though, drafting illegal aliens may be an effective way of getting them to GO HOME!!!!

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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:45 PM
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9. Then Conceptualize This!
Would they subject themselves to the draft if they were to be acting as the National Guard enforcing martial law against us Citizens while our American troops are deployed over seas?
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Adapter44 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:10 PM
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13. I seriously doubt it
regardless of what you hear from the republicans, immigrants aren't here with intent to harm citizens. The vast majortiy of immigrants are good people, and I find your suggestion they would find enforcing martial law on a civilian population acceptable to be ignorant at best.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:25 PM
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15. Really...
and you must be intelligent enough to know that this administration (Bu$h*t) is beyond this type of machination?
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Adapter44 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 05:00 PM
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19. And you ignore the point
that contrary to what Rush would tell you, immigrants don't have a desire to work for a dictator and put the US population under martial law. They would be far more likely to turn on Bush than the american population.
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Francis Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:39 PM
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7. Minimum wage employees
You watch as skilled manual labor jobs become minimum wage
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:49 PM
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10. CNet spoke of the new rules as a way of recruiting cheap high tech labor.
I guess they want to depress that jobs' wages.


I think as far as the draft is concerned, that is a stretch. I think they will promote joining as a fast track to citizenship.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:26 PM
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16. Yes, but in reality..
Yes they could be drafted, but if that should happen, they'll just go go home.

In effect, "guest workers" will have more options than regular citizens if they are drafted. They have the option of serving or going home, wheres I have no option at all.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 04:31 PM
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18. But You Do!
You have the option of saying NO, or deserting like the Commander and Thief did! Or you can run to Mexico, or Canada. You have that freedom of choice.
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