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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:14 PM
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Juvenile court JUDGE, leaves 4 yr old home alone at night
Juvenile judge may face neglect charges: DA will decide after probe is over


Juvenile judge may face neglect charges
DA will decide after probe is over

By STEVE VISSER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

A Fulton County Juvenile Court judge could face child neglect charges in the very courthouse she works in for leaving her 4-year-old daughter home alone at night. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said he is awaiting the outcome of a police investigation before deciding whether to take action against Hickson.

Chief Juvenile Court Judge Nina Hickson has admitted to leaving her daughter at night to run an errand -- which resulted in the girl being found wandering coatless and shoeless on the street about midnight Nov. 29.Prosecutors, psychologists and child advocates say parents routinely are prosecuted in Juvenile Court for similar acts of neglect -- usually as the misdemeanor of contributing to the deprivation of a minor -- and placed on supervisory probation.

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State social workers already have cited Hickson for neglect but closed the case on Dec. 5, calling it a one-time incident.

...snip...

Former Cobb County District Attorney Tom Charron said authorities need to investigate any case thoroughly that involves a judge to reassure the public the judge isn't getting special treatment."Elected official has greater responsibility and they should be held to a higher standard," he said.


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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:24 PM
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1. You'd think she sees
enough of the results of such irresponsibility in her courtroom every day. If that doesn't keep her from doing it, NOTHING will!

And whoever's in charge in that county children's services agency should be fired, pronto! People who do less than the judge did routinely get the book thrown at them and then some, regardless of whether or not it was just a "one-time incident" and social workers never leave them alone after that, ESPECIALLY if they're lower-income. But because she's a judge she can get away with "just a one-time incident." Had she been Joe or Jane Shmo the factory worker, they never would have closed the books like that. And that really pisses me off.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:40 PM
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5. How does this differ from being in another room?

Given the time I would bet the child was asleep. And the judge figured she could run to the corner store and back in ten minutes while the child slept. "After all," thinks the judge, "I spend more than ten minutes in the basement doing laundry while the child plays in the front room."

1. She doesn't want to disturb the child.

2. She knows this ten minute errand will run an hour to an hour and a half if she does have to wake the child, get her dressed, haul her to and through the store, then get her back into bed.

I suppose it *is* wrong. But I can certainly see her rationale. For that matter I can see her easily doing this only one time (and getting really unlucky). I know there have been a couple times I did something regarding my child then thought, "you know, that was phenomenaly stupid and downright irresponsible," and went on to never do it again.

Of course, I do much that people would consider horribly irresponsible ALL THE TIME. I think he was four when I taught him to play steel tip darts, and how to cut up vegetables when I was cooking. He still (at seven) makes me nervous around hot oil though. He hasn't learned to respect it yet. Probably because the only person who ever gets burnt when I have allowed him to handle it has been ME.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:46 PM
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7. She went to the airport to retrieve luggage
at least that's what another rendition of the story said.. The airlines will deliver lost luggage.. The fact that she did it does not bother me as much as the fact that she routinely takes children away from parents who have done the same or less.. It's the hypocrisy, as always :(
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:51 PM
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11. Okay

That IS too much.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:46 PM
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20. It is different
I realize you were kind of playing devil's advocate here, but I'll address the reason why it is different than your average "oops, maybe that wasn't such a good idea" parenting mistakes that most of us parents will make in our parenting career. It is different than leaving them in another room for many reasons.

If you leave your child alone in the house while you go somewhere else, you are risking all kinds of things. What if something happens to you while you're out running your errand? A car accident. Getting caught in traffic because of another accident? You somehow get hurt, or something prevents you from returning home quickly? What if something happens at the house and you're not there. A fire. Someone breaks in. Child wakes up and looks for you, and panics, hurting themselves. Or leaves the house trying to look for you.

Speaking to this thread in general, I can't believe a Family Court Judge did this. It's inexcusable for someone who should be very educated on these matters to risk her child like that. I can't imagine how that poor little girl felt wondering around like that. At that age if I had woken up to find my parents were nowhere around, I think that would have scarred me for life.


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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 07:45 PM
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22. Just call a taxi
You can just call for a taxi and have them stop and pick stuff up for you. Everyone is safe and it just cost a little more than to endanger your child.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:29 PM
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2. What is wrong with people??? Four year olds shouldn't be left
alone.

I have a neighbor who is so "out of it" that her three year old left the house and came down to my place for a visit... I walked him home and to my shock she didn't even know he was missing...

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:34 PM
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16. Exactly!
One of the things far too many people take forever to realize when they become parents is that the child MUST have a responsible adult with him or her ALL THE TIME! There is NO SUCH THING as leaving them alone for "just a few minutes", because in that "few minutes" ANYTHING can happen. ANYTHING. And a child simply is not eqipped to handle most things that can happen, and they WILL get out and wander around, regardless of the weather or whether they're dressed properly, or whatever.

There have been numerous cases of parents leaving their kids alone for "just a few minutes" and coming back to find the house on fire or a similar disaster. Those parents will live with the consequences of their thoughtless irresponsiblity for the rest of their lives.

There was a really heartbreaking case near here a few years ago where a single mother left her four kids alone to go out with a friend (she needed to get out but couldn't find a sitter), ages 2 to 11. The house caught on fire, no smoke detectors, and all the kids died before anyone even saw that the house was on fire. The fire department discovered the kids huddled together in one of the bedrooms, a ladder had been pushed up to the window. Apparently, one of the older kids had tried to open the window, but it was stuck, and he was then overcome by smoke. The woman said she had "no idea" that that could have happened, which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. There is no punishment she could be given, however, that would be worse than what she was already suffering, to not only lose all four of your kids but to know that you were responsible for it in the first place.

And I certainly had my parental moments as well. My son's almost thirteen now, but when he was first born, I made the mistake of leaving him in the car in his carseat while I ran into a convenient store for a few things (no, the car was turned off and I had the keys, I wasn't quite THAT dumb, lol!). When I came back, there was an older woman waiting by the car watching him through the window, and boy did she let me have it when she saw me. I was promptly, loudly, and sufficiently chastened. And she was exactly right, too, and once I got over the embarrassment of the public humiliation, I was glad she had had the gumption to stand up and say what she thought. I never did that, or anything similar, ever again, lol!

Make no mistake about it, I'm a paralegal who's also had some experience in the social service field, and there is absolutely a double standard in both the social work and legal areas when it comes to matters like this. Those who are of a "higher" socioeconomic status are largely left alone, and are not prosecuted by the police or prosecutor when they do something like this, even if it results in the death or permanent injury to the child. But someone not of the right socioeconomic class even looks at their kid wrong, and forget it, they're toast.

There was another case near here where a couple who lived in a "gated" community had a baby and the mother "forgot" to take her to day care and left her in the car, where she suffocated from the high temperature. There was an outpouring of community sympathy, etc., etc., and the pious prosecutor and social service agency director waxed on and on about how this family had suffered enough, we're not going to do anything, blahblahblah.

But when a single mother who worked two jobs did the same thing a year later, all hell broke loose, she was the devil incarnate, the symbol of all that's wrong with "those people" and the moral decay of society today and the breakdown of the family, blahblahblahblahblah. Never mind that she did the exact same thing as the rich couple. Never mind that she was suffering just as much. And that, folks, is the way it is in the legal, police, and social service fields, for the most part.

So I'm sure this judge will be let off with nothing, whereas if someone in her courtroom, and not of the right class, had done the same thing, the book would have been thrown quite heavily against them. You simply DO NOT leave a four-year-old alone like that no matter what, and sure as hell NOT TO GO PICK UP LUGGAGE from an airport when there's no telling how long you'll be gone.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:34 PM
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3. This "incident" drew a lot of fire.. (as it should)
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 05:43 PM by SoCalDem
How could she possible ever do her job again, without the ever-present .."do-as-I-say-..not-as-I-do" being thrown at her.

Check out the responses to her here...

especially this one

Nina Hickson
Chief Juvenile Judge


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:38 PM
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4. Cripes, my son is almost seven and, yes, I've been tempted to
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 05:42 PM by blondeatlast
leave him DURING THE DAY to run an errand, BUT, then I think, what if I have an accident? What if he does?

I've been tempted, yes, but JEEBUS, I would never, ever, do it.

What the hell kind of errand could possibly be that important??? I'm talking about me runnuing out of insulin--and I STILL don't go if he won't agree to go along.

Edit: I AM SEETHING ABOUT THIS! I AM OFF TO THE LOUNGE!

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:50 PM
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:02 PM
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13. Excuse me???
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 06:13 PM by blondeatlast
Edit: keeping in mind my sig line . . .

As hard as it is!

edit2: typos, dammit.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:53 PM
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21. I thought
that when I left my parenting boards in disgust over similar judgmentalism, that I'd escaped it when I came here. You're right; as hard as it is, it's better to ignore it.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:44 PM
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6. Wonder how often her guilt manifested itself in her judgements against
others?

You know how people hate the most in others what they see in themselves? Well, how often did this juvie judge hear stories of absent parents (or parents that leave young children to their own devices) and come down harder as if to say "that's not me"....when it really is.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:46 PM
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8. She went back to the airport for some luggage?
SHE LEFT HER 4 YEAR OLD, HELPLESS DAUGHTER FOR SOME FARKING LUGGAGE???

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:55 PM
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12. I know...it's horrible
But I still wonder how she judged others when she was guilty of bad parenting herself...
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:39 PM
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18. I know, it's unbelievable, isn't it?
And, like I said above, she'll get off scot-free because she's a judge and probably fairly well-off, for that matter, whereas if she had been Sally Single Mother, FORGET IT! The police, prosecutors, social workers, judge, everyone, would be on her ass like flies to a wound for the rest of her natural-born life. Seen it first-hand myself, as a paralegal.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 05:48 PM
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9. Surprisingly...
it is considered perfectly acceptable to leave a child home alone at night in Germany. The child is asleep after all.

I imagine there are more than a few American mothers who leave a child at home sleeping while they run out to the convenience store for ten minutes. I'm not sure it's a good idea, but I certainly don't think it constitutes neglect.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:16 PM
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15. what if a fire broke out
when she was SLEEPING?? do you really think it is "safe"?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:41 PM
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19. Really?
Well, I think leaving your FOUR YEAR OLD at home alone just to go get some fucking luggage from the airport when you don't even know how long you'll be gone (ever seen a trip to the airport, for whatever reason, go quickly or smoothly?) is criminal neglect, and if that means I'm judgmental, then so be it. You'd think a juvie judge, of all people, would know better, too. That'd be like a firefighter not having a smoke detector in his house.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 07:50 PM
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23. no way
If you leave your child unattended you are neglecting them and that is abuse. Plain and simple. It is not that hard to figure out.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 06:06 PM
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14. I remember getting awakened by...
my Grandma at something like 5:00 in the morning so I could be put in the car to drive my Grandpa to work, just 15 minutes away.


She couldn't have asked a neighbor to step in and keep an eye on the kid?
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