Why we need to drop the IWR vote issue.

[rpf113]

I think most of us can agree with the stance Senator Byrd took on the floor of the Senate decrying the war with Iraq. I know I can say that I was disappointed with all of the Senators who voted for the War Resolution.

This is history now, though! We have found a great loophole for the people who voted for the IWR. They were misled! Now they can all play a great political act: they can act astonished that Bush Lied to them, that he took advantage of him at a time when they were trying so HARD to be BIPARTISAN. I think that actually might be a better political spin than the people that didn't vote for the war at all.

So please people, stop using the IWR litmus test. The war is long over and things are turning out horribly in Iraq and those who voted for the resolution are proving that they are willing to speak out about how we are losing the peace.

[La_Serpiente]

1. You're right

we shouldn't. Screw the IWR.

We should be finding out how to get our troops back home.

[wuushew]

2. I can criticize and still vote for the Democratic candidate

The point of criticism is to hold our candidates to a higher standard. Since I firmly believe that the swing vote is a myth for the 2004 election there is no need pander to the mushy middle.

I will be voting for anyone but Lieberman.

[Terwilliger]

7. how does criticism hold anyone to a higher standard?

YOU: You BLEEPING idiot! How could you do that? I'm totally disgusted! That's not liberal values! Those aren't my values! You want my vote? Well, you better do what I say!!

DEM POLITICIAN: OK......will you vote me?

YOU: Oh yeah, of course!

[wuushew]

13. Shame and vanity are still ways to motivate people

unless you believe all Democrats are devoid of human emotion.

In any case if Bill Clinton was only concerned about his own political career from 1992-2000 why does he give a fuck about his "legacy"?

[lancdem]

3. I don't think an IWR vote will be a liability with most Dems

and swing voters. DU is not representative of Democrats at large (much as we wish it were!)

[stickdog]

4. Yes. We are in campaign mode now. Truth doesn't matter anymore.

All that matters is the believability of the lies.

[Terwilliger]

5. You're right! I guess Bush was misled too!

So no more attacking Bush for his handling of the war!

[platinumPens]

6. Bah! Bush wasn't mislead. He just makes others take the blame.

[Blue_Roses]

11. Bush has been

"misled" his whole life. Why do you think he has been such a failure at everything.

[platinumPens]

8. Agreed. We need a candidate with a plan to stabalize Iraq

and do right by the Iraqi people and bring our troops home.

[matcom]

9. "the war is long over"....

yeah. uhhuh...... :eyes:

tell that to the soldiers AND the Iraqis dying over there every day

:eyes:

[lastknowngood]

10. if you were mislead by the obvious lies from the shrub

and his gang of thieves what's that say about your judgment.

[LeahMira]

12. Not quite yet...

So please people, stop using the IWR litmus test.

... because the Constitution says that the President can call out the troops but only Congress can declare war. I don't like it that Congress is so willing to cede its responsibilities to the President, and that goes no matter who is in the White House.

Everyone is entitled to make mistakes in judgement, and I do totally believe that the Congress was given "hyped" information and that as individuals they were "persuaded" in no gentle terms, so I don't hold it against anyone who voted for the IWR in that respect, but at the same time I do hold it against them for passing on their own responsibility. I don't think the Constitution should be put aside when it's expedient. The checks and balances are there for a reason.

[eissa]

14. I think we can move on

to that next step of holding this administration accountable for lying ONCE our own dems hold themselves accountable. As of yet, we still hear them standing by that vote, especially Joe, who is still defiant in his support of * illegal adventure. Besides, trying to go after this administration about lying for oil would require some spine and which of our dems has one of those?

[lcordero]

15. I will not forget this or drop it

We have found a great loophole for the people who voted for the IWR. They were misled!

Bush has always been known for his lack of integrity. Anybody who gives this guy the benefit of the doubt is too stupid to be a public official or is on the take. Either way, I do not want them representing me, I deserve better. They can take a hike.

Now they can all play a great political act: they can act astonished that Bush Lied to them, that he took advantage of him at a time when they were trying so HARD to be BIPARTISAN.

Bipartisan? No thank you. I want to see Nays for every single bill that even has the smallest little trojan horse in it.

I want to see a huge amount of turnover in both Houses in November 2004.