Californians. About the recall of Governor Schwarzenegger.

[Cleita]

I got this in my email today.

<snip>
Yes, please print and sign the Notice of Intention located at
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/hankramey/page4.html , and get as many
signatures as you can. It takes 65 signatures in order for it to be
served on the Gropenator, and filed with the Secretary of State's
office, BEFORE PETITIONS CAN BE PREPARED, so please help.<snip>

The changing of the guard begins.

[Cleita]

1. Please keep kicked

so all California DU'ers can see this.

[marie123]

4. i will kick this, but

I do think it is a waste of energy. Not that it cant be done, but why. Why spend all that time in money, when in a couple of years you can just vote him out

[Cleita]

6. Why didn't we do this with Governor Davis?

We can't afford to have this WH oil shill in office one more day than necessary, especially in an election year.

[arcane1]

7. because he is ripping us off!!!

letting Kenny Boy keep his NINE BILLION, he borrowed money from US to run for his damn election, he gave the shaft to disabled CHILDREN, for god's sake, added FOUR BILLION to our debt in his first month, and wants to add FIFTEEN BILLION MORE

nice try, but I would rather see him out before he can do any more damage

[marie123]

8. for the record

I wasn't trying to do anything. I was just stating my opinion. It was the same opinion I had when they ousted Davis.

It just seems that you/we keep attacking and attacking politicians to get them out of office. Instead, we should put our energies into finding a good candidate and then voting them in along with voting in new legislation. We the people have the voting power.

Bush loves the idea that we are all fighting. It legitimizes his being. By doing this we are allowing the government to control us.

I think we should stop the hate and the ousting, bond together and vote in those who are of change.

Kerry should not be a head in the poll. I cant imaging me voting for him. Dean should be the man, but unfortunately those in power have told us he cant win, so he is out. Funny you guys are the first to tell republicans they are sheeple

[Bandit]

9. We the people have the voting power.

If that were true Gore would be our President instead of the Cabal that is in office now.

[Terwilliger]

11. worked for Issa

:shrug:

[Kanary]

15. Maybe lives are at stake?

Does a waste of lives mean anything?

Have you not heard the cuts he is making to ... PEOPLE'S SURVIVAL?

I guess Dems are just a lot tougher than they used to be.

Kanary

[Jim Sagle]

2. kick

[K8-EEE]

3. Big Kick From L.A.!!

Great! My chance to tell the Gov how much I appreciate him making it even more impossible to send our kids to college.

[CBHagman]

5. I can't get over how many recall sites there are.

This is very heartening!

And to the Gropenator: HAU AB!

[loudsue]

12. Yes...lots of 'em, and they seem to be grassroots

instead of big money manipulation like the previous recall.

California needs to get rid of those voting machines if they want their votes to count. Run a Dem candidate whose FIRST issue is to get the votes scrutinized from the previous recount!

check out www.blackboxvoting.org

:kick:

[devinsgram]

10. Kick

[Cleita]

13. Another

:kick:

[Indiana Democrat]

14. Bad idea.

Sour grapes.

[Cleita]

16. You betcha.

And the wine we make from those sour grapes will be the best wine Californians ever make for the GOP to drink up on.

[Xithras]

17. Won't sign it, not worth our time

I was discussing this with some people here at work last week (and I work at a liberal college campus) and nobody I work with supports the idea much either. Why?

1) Because it's sour grapes, and most people are adult enough to recognize that. Politics is about more than just "feeling good".

2) Because we're still in some serious financial s**t in this state, and to spend additional tens of millions on yet another campaign is beyond stupid.

3) Because the recall would fail. Gropenator has proven himself to be rather harmless so far. His budget plans are a near mirror of the ones that Davis put forward (wasn't the bond plan Davis idea?), he's in negotiations to re-allow licenses for immigrants, and he's even wavering on his 'no new taxes' pledge by declaring that "fee's" are not "taxes".

Aside from the hardcore Dem activists who are just angry about a Republican being in the office, there just isn't any real opposition to his administration of the state (yet). You can try to build a recall, and you might even get enough signatures to get it on the ballot, but it WOULD fail and it's not worth it.

Personally, I'll save my money to support whoever challenges Groper in the next general election.

[Cleita]

18. This isn't about money.

This is about using the recall provision the way it was meant to be used by the people from grass roots efforts. It means going out there to the parking lot of your local Wal-Mart with a clipboard and getting sixty five signatures. Will you wait until whatever funding is keeping you in a job dries up?

It's happened before during the reign of Reagan as Governor. Grants to universities were cut and the streets teemed with unemployed researchers, teachers and others with Master's degrees and Phd's who were out of work. I know because at that time the restaurant I worked was staffed 70% by people who had Master's degrees and Phd's after the fallout from the Jarvis Ammendment.

Arnold has rolled back the car tax as a start and rebuffed Warren Buffetts suggestion about increasing property taxes for the multiple mansions crowd. It's already beginning. The first to get cuts are the most helpless like children and the handicapped. The next to go is education. You wait and see.

If you and your colleagues prefer to sit this one out, it's up to you. If it fails, be sure you know the right answers to give to the Human Resources people so that you get your unemployment check. Frivolities like spending on higher education are always among the first ones to go.

And by the way, Arnold and Maria have several restaurants and they might be willing to help you out with a job.

[Xithras]

19. I don't support Arnold

And yet I'm just looking at reality here. People have attempted to recall every governor for the last 30 years, and they all failed up until Davis. What was different? People were ANGRY. You had a hard time finding ANYONE who really supported him, and had an incredibly easy time finding people who hated him.

With the Groper, that anger simply doesn't exist. Most people seem to think that he's doing an "ok" job and that he hasn't screwed things up too badly. Davis got away with a LOT of crap before people actually got mad enough to recall him, and people just aren't back at that point with Arnold yet.

It's not apathy, it's reality. I'd much rather have a Dem governor in that office who will support higher education, but the people of this state just don't have the same level of distaste for Arnold as they did for Davis. This recall attempt, like all of the others before it, will fail.

[Cleita]

20. Not everyone thinks he's doing an okay job. He has made

some initial major blunders that haven't played out yet in the chickens coming home to roost syndrome. I made an error in my other post to you. Jerry Brown was governor when the Jarvis Ammendment was passed. He was able to stave off some of the fallout at first by funding programs from the budget surplus.

There is no budget surplus now to draw on. It was Raygun who initially tried to get the ammendment passed and he failed, but he was the one to instigate the idea first proposed back in the forties that fueled Jarvis to push it through.

[Sapphocrat]

26. Guess you haven't been asking the right people...

Ask the city of San Diego (which voted overwhelmingly for Davis' recall) just how happy they are after losing $50 million due to Ah-nold's vehicle-tax rollback.

Or California teachers. Or students. Or the parents of special-ed students.

There's plenty of anger out here. Not a soul I know thinks Steroid Boy is doing anywhere near "OK."

However, I don't think a recall will happen, for two reasons: 1) cost, and 2) the willingness to let Ah-nold slowly hang himself with his own rope of incompetence, thereby paving the way for the next Democratic challenger.

[arcane1]

22. Arnold's entire platform, indeed the whole recall effort

was built around CA's debt

Arnold increased that debt, and his Enron pals helped to create it

we are merely applying the same standard that was applied to Davis, no?

[nolabels]

21. Thanks for the heads up

That guy is a bigger liar than *. What a piece crap. Every damn thing he said he wouldn't do, he is doing, and visa versa.

On edit, just thought to throw this link in
Totally Recall Arnold Schwarzenegger
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?schwarze&1

[Hammie]

23. Waste of time

With prominent Dems still sucking up to him, no recall effort is going anywhere. It took an uniquely awful and charmless governor to finally gather enough support for a recall (He actually came darn close in a previous petition drive that had no financial backing at all and didn't quite make it). Don't look for a trend, it won't happen again for a very long time.

[Cleita]

24. Happening?

No one is waiting for something to happen. We're DOING IT!

[Cleita]

25. Kick for the Left Coast starting to come home from work.

:kick:

[Snappy]

27. Kalifornication

I don't feel that a recall is possible either but not a bad idea as a protest. The reasons should be plainly posted as to why this Gov. is a disaster for Kalifornia. He has already brocken laws and promises. He will gut the state and make it even more of a mess and decimate the Middle Class, make it harder ong the Working Poor and The Poor. He is a person that is a hypocrite and a champion to the wealthy. People that voted for him were desperate and somewhat stupid to think that he would help the state. His movie star , celeb status blinds people to the reality. The fact that he will allow $9 Billion to stay with Enron, buddies of Dubya and the gang of thieves, is reason enough to know how dispicable he is.

[Cleita]

28. Bump

:kick:

[calimary]

29. People allow themselves to be blinded by all sorts of things.

Regionally AND nationally, as we've seen all too painfully in the last three or four years.