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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:51 PM
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Don't Stop With The AWOL
Don't forget, this pilot of a president wasn't able to fly because he refused to take the physical/drug test. Once the dud got out of flight school, at tremendous expense to the taxpayers of our country, he didn't fly.

As if the AWOL wasn't enough.

Thom
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FrankBooth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:57 PM
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1. Agreed
Beat the AWOL drum until every American has heard it.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:58 PM
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2. AWOL Is Not Enough
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 04:59 PM by CityZen-X
This Commander & Chimp, is a TRAITOR, to say the very least!
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:51 AM
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15. AWOL is the LEAST of his worries:
AWOL is the LEAST of his worries:


http://www.geocities.com/jaak7777/LIHOP.html
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:02 PM
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3. Also...
Go after Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rice and their conspicuous lack of military service.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:02 PM
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4. Even worse...
... he then conspired to cover it all up!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:05 PM
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5. don't forget his texas drivers licence...
GeeBush is ONLY HUMAN IN HISTORY to get a brand new number (in '95) and have the old one disappeared!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:07 PM
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6. no, he's not
Laura and a few others, too

right?
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:34 PM
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9. since James Hatfield's book came out?
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 07:37 PM by pretzel4gore
that was in 2001...the footnote in Jim's book (on page 309) says licences are renewed on ones birthday, and junior got a brand new licence (9 digit #000000005) on march 31/95 instead of renewing it on his july 6th bday...which the texas dept of motor vehicles calls 'highly unusual' (that's scared bureaucrat-ese for never!)
the texas drivers licence has ALL infractions recorded onto the number, thus any gbush convictions for cocaine trafficing etc would..well cause Geeb problems (btw James Hatfield 'killed hisself' when his 'fortunate son' book's publication was in the pipeline)
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:14 PM
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7. Get him on the ropes. Hit him hard with AWOL and DRUGS/ALCOHOL
Then let the WMD lies and the economy KO the little lying Bu$h.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:44 AM
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14. i agree... you know rove will
all is fair in politics WINNING is ALL that matters.

we need SOUND BYTES to win. it's a simple fact and there is NO ad agency on the planet that could creat a better one than AWOL no matter how much you paid them - not even carville and co. ;->

he is RECKLESS, CARELESS, IRRESPONCIBLE, RADICAL, and PETULANT.

he is also susceptible to CURROUPTION/BLACKMAIL from the SAUDIS

the conservatives have already been WELL trained on the 'gravity' of these words :evilgrin:

:hi:

peace
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:03 AM
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17. I'm sorry. I used to not be this way. We need to:
1: GET ROVE: PUNISH AND DISCREDIT HIM. SEND HIM HOME WHIMPERING LIKE A THRASHED CUR.

2: GET BU$H: EtOH and AWOL. WMD LIES LEADING TO IRAQ WAR DEATHS FOR OIL. CHENEY. PLAME. TAX-CUTS FOR RICH AND WRECKED ECONOMY. DEFICIT.

3: GET CHENEY: EASY. START ANYWHERE ON THIS FUCKER!

(Sorry about the caps; I feel like a DeanScream tonight)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:23 PM
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8. here ya go
I send this out every time it comes up on the web. Maybe somewhere it will
get some traction. Feel free to use any or all of this, with or without
attribution.

At the time I joined the guard (1963), my unit was in dire need of pilots.
The 117th Tactical Recon Wing and the 106th Tac Recon Squadron were
recalled to active duty in October 1961 during the Berlin Crisis.
The units were relieved from active duty in August 1962.
Many of the pilots elected to remain on active duty and make a career
of the Air Force.

I heard about their pilot training program and just walked in off the
street. I took a 4 hour Air Force Officer Qualification Test (AFOQT,
basically the old Stanine general intelligence test) and another four hour
Flight Aptitude test. I passed both, although I don't remember what a
passing grade was. I do remember that 8 or 10 of us were taking the tests
and only 2 of us passed. I also took and passed a flight physical with the
base flight surgeon. You DO NOT take a flight physical with your
"personal" physician.

While my test papers and applications were
forwarded to National Guard Bureau in Washington for processing and
approval, the FBI ran a security check on me. A few weeks later I was
notified that all preparations were complete and that I could present myself
at the monthly drill week-end for swearing in with a temporary commission as
a 2nd Lt. No boot camp, no nuthin'. The temporary commission was to become
permanent upon my successful completion of pilot training.

A few months later, my unit secured a slot for me in a USAF pilot training
class. It was a 55 week program. When I was awarded my wings, I returned
to Birmingham, AL (106th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron, 117th Wing,
Alabama Air National Guard) and 90 days of active-duty-for-training
to check out in our unit's aircraft, the RF-84/F. I then completed my 6
year obligation and was honorably discharged with the rank of Captain.
Massey Lambard
Foley, AL

AWOL? Deserter? Here are the FACTS.

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#802.%20ART.%202.%20PERSONS%20SUBJECT%20TO%20THIS%20CHAPTER

802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in
the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the
Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.

Bush was not in Federal Service, thus not subject to UCMJ, and therefore not
AWOL or a deserter under UCMJ.

However, from the Texas Code of Military Justice, which Bush "may have
been" (see below) subject to says:
Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 147, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987. § 432.130. Desertion
(a) A member of the state military forces is guilty of desertion if the
member:
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or
place of duty with intent to remain away permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid
hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the state military forces,
enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another of the state
military forces, or in one of the armed forces of the United States, without
fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated.
(b) A commissioned officer of the state military forces who, after tender of
his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or
proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away permanently is
guilty of desertion.
(c) A person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be
punished as a court-martial directs.

Bush was certainly in violation of one or more of these sections, but notice
the law was passed in 1987, well after he was out of the guard. So far, I
can find no information as to what the law was when Bush was in the TANG.


I was a pilot in the ALAANG 1963-1972. I can find no documentation of Alaba
ma military regulations on the web, but here's what I know to be true from
personal experience:

When I joined the guard to be trained as a pilot I signed an agreement, a
"contract" if you will. Upon successful completion of USAF pilot training,
I was committed for six years of service in the Alabama Air National Guard
(ALAANG). Pilot training lasted a little over a year, so my basic
obligation was for seven years.

If I had done exactly the same thing Bush did, skipped out and not shown up
for required drills and Flight Training Periods (FTPs)
1. I would have been located/contacted (if possible) by a superior officer
on an "unofficial" level and asked about my absence. In reality, it would
have been unthinkable for me or any of my squadron-mates to just drop out of
sight without any prior communication with my squadron or wing as to a
reason for this.
2. If I had no satisfactory "unofficial" explanation I would be required to
meet with an evaluation board of senior officers to explain my actions. If
necessary, I would have been taken into custody by military police.
3. Now it gets "official" If the board found I had no acceptable excuse,
they could offer three options.
a. I could make up the missed periods, possibly by extending my
obligation.
b. If I was unwilling to do this, I could have been assigned to
"involuntary active duty" (essentially "drafted"), probably into the Army,
as a private, for a period not to exceed the balance of my obligation. At
the time, that was a ticket straight to Viet Nam.
c. If I refused, I could be sent to jail for the balance of my obligation,
probably to Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary.

You can see why it was in my best interest to show up each and every time
with a shine on my shoes and a smile on my face. That Bush was able to
shirk his obligation with absolutely no penalty angers me. It was wrong,
and he should have paid. But he didn't. He had the right connections and
he got off scot free. Another reason this was "papered over" is that, had
it been publicized, his commanding officers would have been seen as guilty
of dereliction of duty in not dealing with the situation according to
established military regulations.

Two more points:
1. Bush was mustered out as a 1st Lt. As a normal matter of course, just
serving the necessary time-in-grade and having no major black marks in their
records, all National Guard pilots were awarded the rank of Captain a year
prior to completing their 6 year obligation. That Bush did not speaks
volumes and should have been a "red flag".
2. In spite of Bush's flagrant disregard/violation of military regulations,
he received an Honorable Discharge (which cheapens mine and the
accomplishments of all who have received one). This is one of the strongest
"talking points" used by his supporters.

We can bemoan the fact, and wail and gnash our teeth, but there's no way
(that I know of) that this wrong can be righted. I won't "get over it", but
I can move on. We can publicize this as much as possible, but he will never
be brought up on criminal charges over it. Periodically someone discovers
www.awolbush.com for the first time and thinks "Aha!". Well, I'm glad you
learned about it. Go tell others, for whatever that's worth. But don't
think you will ever see Bush in a court of law, military or civilian,
because of this. The only small, faint hope we have is the court of public
opinion.

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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:56 AM
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16. A review of the changes made in 1987 will indicate
if B* was a deserter or not. The Federal Government and most state have a record of the changes made to the laws and when they were made.

However; there is also what is commonly referred to as "uniform acts" (not related to the military). These are model acts which are proposed by the American Bar Associan or congress and adopted by the various states. Modifications are made to these model acts depending on the political climates in each state. Due to the similarity in language I wonder if the changes made in 1987 were of any significance at all.

A first year law student should be able to research the issue.

(b) A commissioned officer of the state military forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away permanently is guilty of desertion.


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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 08:16 PM
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10. Then there is the Houston "Community Service" in 1973
What was that about? Court ordered in exchange for a probation before judgement decree?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 08:37 PM
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11. bbt
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:31 AM
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12. Don't forget that he skipped out 8 months early too.
Promised 6 years to his country and then gave less. Typical for him, ain't it? Just like the 350,000 jobs he's promised every month up to the election.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:34 AM
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13. Searched the web for bush awol. Results 1 - 10 of about 57,600.
Google.. keep googling folks...

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