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ringmastery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:56 PM Original message |
Isn't marriage a religious concept? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Marriage was a civil contract. Always. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It still is a civil contract. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. simply not true |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
61. and that's civil |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's my argument. |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes and no |
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eaprez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. BUT......not all marriages |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. marriage by clergy is simply an accomodation given to |
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eaprez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. my point is they are not |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:05 PM Original message |
I don't think that's true. But I'm not sure. I don't think the government |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
15. But it is a fact that clergy cannot marry anyone without a license |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. You have it mixed up. Any church can marry anyone. But a marriage isn't |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Well, perhaps I could have said it better |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. There are huge differences between what you and I were saying |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Uh oh |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Nothing says you can't perform a marriage but |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. In many countries, the only legalmarriage is the civil one. |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yes, but the difference here is that in most (if not all) states |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. I don't think that's an accurate characterization. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. In Germany... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. This is important. See, governments evolved family law around |
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eaprez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. Please articulate for me |
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mdguss (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I'm on the fence about civil unions: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The right wing argument is that the marriage is the thing. |
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eaprez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Maybe you're on to something! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. I know I'm on to something, and that it's very different from the way the |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. My heterosexual friends who dislike the religious |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Get rid of the quasi-religious JoP ceremony too. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. That's exactly as it is now |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Why isn't the registration enough? |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. But you forget: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I'm not sure if you're addressing anything I'm arguing. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Civil Unions vs. marriage |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Full Faith and Credit applies to way more than marriages, and would apply |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Never said it was "limited" to marriage |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It would apply to civil unions because the constitution says so. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. kick. Any response? |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Sorry. I was busy. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. But what I'm arguing is from higher up. I'm arguing that we should |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Not what I'm saying at all |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. There are two kinds of benefits of marriage: material and spiritual. |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Keep it simplest... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I think that's letting religion into your head just a little too much. |
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Cannikin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. And whats so hard about just calling it a marriage? Its just semantics. |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. HOT OFF THE PRESSES: We can win standing up for what's right |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. What's right is separating church from state. It will make a difference |
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Cannikin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. Oh, and just for reference...my search for 'Civil Union' |
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eaprez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I thought Civil Union was two words? |
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West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. I don't see why it should have anything to do with religion |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. I agree, but I've brought this issue up before here with a less than |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. Yes. However it is also a state-ercognized contract, from which |
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Alopenia (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
26. God trumps all things secular particularly in the sacrament of marriage |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I hope you forgot your sarcasm brackets |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
80. Do you read Lisa Whelchel? |
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funky_bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
30. Answer me this, then |
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maxr4clark (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. What matters is |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
48. Because It's Not Equal |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Thanks Allen |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. It's not separation between church and state either. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
50. Assignment for everyone |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. You mean atheists can't get married? |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Do You Have (Or Plan On Having) Children? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
54. no |
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SW FL Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-05-04 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
58. You can get "married" by a judge |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. because it's a symbolic secular substitute for the religious marriage. |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. it's not a "substitute" it is marriage |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. That is not accurate. Every state in the union requires a |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Texas doesn't. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 10:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Are you sure about that? Furthermore, this is what I'm arguing: lots |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 10:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Yes. I'm sure about that. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Here are the rules for CLM: |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
60. NO |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Before 1400 what authority was performing marriages? |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 04:32 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. families, mostly, and the local "government" to some extent |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Those aren't government authorities. And the church made most of the law |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
62. In China, it's never been religious |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 02:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Most states recognize marriage by proxy in the US...but you have to be |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
74. Does carpentry require a Priest? |
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resist (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
76. Both |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
78. Same gender marriage DOES threaten marriages. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-04 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
79. buzzword schmuzzword...marriage started before religion |
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